NSW Origin side 2018

Ice wrote:I can't come at Sims.  If he is selected, lock this in right now...........

"And Sims is penalised for a late hit/laying on the man in the tackle/illegal strip/high shot/incorrect play the ball" and Qld score in the next set.  Lock it in right now, one of those things will occur. He has talked himself up, has never fulfilled his potential, and I just don't think he should be there.

As for Dugan, again, I don't care about his size, how he brings the ball back, what he has done before, he is a twat and really, has never been a winner, and has a clear track re ord of hurting the culture of the team. Freddy can really draw a line in the sand this year by leaving out Dugan and Fergo, I just hope to fuck he does.

Since he left Canberra (when he was what, 20? 21? 22?), Dugan's had no culture issues. The last 3 years of performances he's had, it's baffling to say he's never "been a winner" - his 4 Nations and WC campaigns were great. Looks like he won't be healthy anyways, so it's probably a moot point. But.

Agree about Sims. Just seems to have a touch of the Wade Graham's about him. His brother was famous for fucking up in the last minute.

He has won and played well for Australia???? Well feed me garlic and call me stinky RYNO, what an amazing effort. Big fucking deal. He is a cock head. And there is a big difference between "winning" and being a "winner". And no culture issues? You didn't watch the Origin news cycle last year? Mate, he is everything that is wrong with NSW. Continuing to pick guys that may have personally played well, but don't make those around them better and don't add real tangible positive vibes to the environment.  It always has and always will be about Josh Dugan for Josh Dugan.

Ice wrote:He has won and played well for Australia???? Well feed me garlic and call me stinky RYNO, what an amazing effort. Big fucking deal. He is a cock head. And there is a big difference between "winning" and being a "winner". And no culture issues? You didn't watch the Origin news cycle last year? Mate, he is everything that is wrong with NSW. Continuing to pick guys that may have personally played well, but don't make those around them better and don't add real tangible positive vibes to the environment.  It always has and always will be about Josh Dugan for Josh Dugan.

He didnt just turn up in the side overnight and ride their coat tails. He was close to our best player in the 4-Nations.

He hasn't had an issue since he left the Raiders. NSW turned him into a scapegoat last year but he didnt do anything wrong. NSW management & leadership put in a culture where they held camp in a casino and gave the players a free day a week before the game - theres no suggestion of any misbehavior or any wrong doing on his part.

His health will turn it into a moot point, but you've got someone who is the only bloke in your backline in the last few years who can hold a candle to his opposite number and he's not going to be picked for some bloke whose parents hate him enough to name him "Euan"?

agree on sims and agree on dugan.

I dont want either of them. I guarentee sims will be running a good line and look like he will score for all money only to drop the ball on the minimal contact from the halfback or who ever is tackling him.

Fuck he does that a lot. We just have so many back row options, we dont need him. I hope he and wade graham are not picked, Woods too.

I agree with the other Blues guys.

Dugan is a brilliant player however he's not someone that I want around our side either. It's the perception that he's disruptive.

Sims I'm warming up to I think because I have a Dragons mate that is saying he's cut a lot of the shit out of his game this year that was holding him back. I would still rather other players in front of him and in front of Wade Graham as well who fucked up Origin 2 for us.

As long as Fitler can handle the interchange better then Daley it wont matter to much who we pick. For years we have made the same mistake of not having 2 specialist hookers and carrying a wide backrower on the bench and making mass defensive line changes to get them on (see last year when QLD couldnt score so we brought Wade Graham on and moved Cordener to the other side of the field next thing you know they are running through Graham with ease and Cordner is making bad reads on an unfamiliar side. The bench needs to be 1 hooker, 3 middles with 1 that can cover injury to wide backrower

My line-up would be something like

Tedesco
TTurbo
Aitken
Bird
Mitchell
?? (im not a Maloney fan, his defence is not up to it but who else is there)
Cleary
RCG
McInnes
Klemmer
Cordner
Crighton
JTurbo

Cook
Vaughan
JDB
Frizell

Tedesco
Addo-Carr
Bird
Walker
TTurbo
Keary
Cleary
Klemmer
Cook
Woods
Frizell
Cordner
jTurbo

Debelin
Vaughan
RCG
Murray

ryno_ wrote:

He didnt just turn up in the side overnight and ride their coat tails. He was close to our best player in the 4-Nations.

He hasn't had an issue since he left the Raiders. NSW turned him into a scapegoat last year but he didnt do anything wrong. NSW management & leadership put in a culture where they held camp in a casino and gave the players a free day a week before the game - theres no suggestion of any misbehavior or any wrong doing on his part.

His health will turn it into a moot point, but you've got someone who is the only bloke in your backline in the last few years who can hold a candle to his opposite number and he's not going to be picked for some bloke whose parents hate him enough to name him "Euan"?

He is a good, not great individual player who has never lifted a side to any heights and never had to carry a team by himself. He is a dog of a human whichever way you cut it and the collective is better off without him even if it could be argued the individual position is weakened.

Shanbon wrote:As long as Fitler can handle the interchange better then Daley it wont matter to much who we pick. For years we have made the same mistake of not having 2 specialist hookers and carrying a wide backrower on the bench and making mass defensive line changes to get them on (see last year when QLD couldnt score so we brought Wade Graham on and moved Cordener to the other side of the field next thing you know they are running  through Graham with ease and Cordner is making bad reads on an unfamiliar side. The bench needs to be 1 hooker, 3 middles with 1 that can cover injury to wide backrower

My line-up would be something like

Tedesco
TTurbo
Aitken
Bird
Mitchell
?? (im not a Maloney fan, his defence is not up to it but who else is there)
Cleary
RCG
McInnes
Klemmer
Cordner
Crighton
JTurbo

Cook
Vaughan
JDB
Frizell

Good side, I'd have Mitchell in the centre over Bird, who is waaaaaay out of shape and form at present and I doubt he'd get through a full Origin game. JAC on wing.

Crichton I like but has started slow this year but warming into his season. Can't see him being picked at this stage but I wouldn't complain about it.

Like the bench.

Ice wrote:

Good side, I'd have Mitchell in the centre over Bird, who is waaaaaay out of shape and form at present and I doubt he'd get through a full Origin game. JAC on wing.

Crichton I like but has started slow this year but warming into his season. Can't see him being picked at this stage but I wouldn't complain about it.

Like the bench.

you make those changes and it just about has to be the side IMO.

Spot on, crichton - started slow but you know he would be up to it. I wouldnt start him over Friz tho, Crichton can provide that impact running from the bench.
Cook will be amazing at the back end of halves at hooker - deadset if he isnt picked Freddy can fuck off too.

The side should be that, without Bird. Whether you leave mitchell on the wing and bring in another centre, or move him to centre and bring in JAC, I dont really care.

I wouldnt even hate it if they picked Adam Reynolds at 7 with maloney at 6, Reynolds to be replaced when Cleary is ready for game 2.
Maloney's defence, yep, its disgusting, he lets in so many tries at any level - but he has to be there because we have no other halves ready to go.
If cleary was healthy and hayne was in form and healthy I wouldnt hate having them as the halves.

Maloney has experience on his side and has played well since cleary went down. Yep he is a terrible defender but you don’t pick halves to tackle. It’s up to the coach in staff and players around him to assist him as many halves have been protected in the past despite being poor defenders

Can’t have Bird atm, has looked good for nsw in the past but his issue isn’t just form but overall fitness. seems like he enjoys the food options up north compared to Cronulla

I had Bird because he is a big match player and good defender, not in top form but good enough to get a shot considering other options are injured. I cant have JAC as yes he can score from anywhere at club level but in Origin those tries happen once a decade to really special players, the main thing is reading D and strong starts to the set of 6, JAC doesnt provide enough there. I started Crichton over Friz because Friz can come on and play middle (where he has killed it for NSW) but Crichton cant. I dont want NSW switching 2nd rowers mid game just because they have one on the bench. The bench should be to rotate those middle 4 guys and flexible enough to cover an injury (but not selected to cover injury, thats asking for trouble)

Speed kills mate. JAC has that in spades. He's nearly my first player picked after JDB

leaguegod wrote:Maloney has experience on his side and has played well since cleary went down. Yep he is a terrible defender but you don’t pick halves to tackle. It’s up to the coach in staff and players around him to assist him as many halves have been protected in the past despite being poor defenders

Can’t have Bird atm, has looked good for nsw in the past but his issue isn’t just form but overall fitness. seems like he enjoys the food options up north compared to Cronulla

totally agree - fitness looks terrible, out of shape, out of form. He cant get a jersey for NSW, its not like he has ever come on and changed a game or played so well in the past that it demanded selection like Hayne.

Shanbon wrote:I had Bird because he is a big match player and good defender, not in top form but good enough to get a shot considering other options are injured. I cant have JAC as yes he can score from anywhere at club level but in Origin those tries happen once a decade to really special players, the main thing is reading D and strong starts to the set of 6, JAC doesnt provide enough there. I started Crichton over Friz because Friz can come on and play middle (where he has killed it for NSW) but Crichton cant. I dont want NSW switching 2nd rowers mid game just because they have one on the bench. The bench should be to rotate those middle 4 guys and flexible enough to cover an injury (but not selected to cover injury, thats asking for trouble)

With JTrbo, Klemmer, JDB, Vaughn, RCG (or sub one of them out for Woods), you dont need Friz to play in the middle. Personally I leave Friz starting on the right and interchange him with Crichton as a direct swap. Why play friz in the middle when you already have 5 middle blokes there?

JAC provides enough of it for melbourne? He did enough to play his role in winning the comp. NSW are due for a special try, JAC has the speed to do that. There were question marks over Slaters size and defence when he came into origin on the wing and for the first few games he played he got smashed every singe hitup and looked shakey under highballs. A few series in, and nsw cant kick it away from him. I have zero concern over JAC if he gets picked, none what so ever. Its not like he is a nathan blacklock like defender - hes nearly 6ft nearly 90kg - and the fastest player in the comp, he will be fine.

Ice wrote:He has won and played well for Australia???? Well feed me garlic and call me stinky RYNO, what an amazing effort. Big fucking deal. He is a cock head. And there is a big difference between "winning" and being a "winner". And no culture issues? You didn't watch the Origin news cycle last year? Mate, he is everything that is wrong with NSW. Continuing to pick guys that may have personally played well, but don't make those around them better and don't add real tangible positive vibes to the environment.  It always has and always will be about Josh Dugan for Josh Dugan.

Fuck you NSWelshman are hypocritical bastards.

Swap the words 'Josh Dugan' with 'Jarryd Hayne' and your post is just as (if not more) accurate.

JAC has a touch of Merritt about him. I hope I'm wrong because he's definitely getting picked.

Oz Sport Mad wrote:

Fuck you NSWelshman are hypocritical bastards.

Swap the words 'Josh Dugan' with 'Jarryd Hayne' and your post is just as (if not more) accurate.

You're having a laugh! Jayne single handedly wonNSW the 2014 Origin and took Parra to the GF and has ALWAYs, prior to leaving for NFL, had to carry his side and won 2 Dally Ms and two Brad Fittler medals and a WC best player award in the process. Yes HAS lifted those around him, he constantly has team mates and coaches (Henry aside) crediting him for lifting team moral and spirits, contrary to what the media would have you believe, you never hear that about Dugan. He has plenty of faults, no doubt, but they are not the same, and I'm not advocating Haynes selection in Origin.

I tell you what, I'm not convinced it matters for this year or the foreseeable future, Regardless of our pack other positions, Qld will continue to put up the better spine.

Slater
Munster
Hunt
Smith

Is far better than anything we have this year.

When slater goes, you have
Ponga
Munster
Hunt
Smith

When Smith goes you've got any number of 9s that can match McInnes/Cook and co.

Cotric a smokey?