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    Post by Camo123 Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:18 am

    mattnz wrote:

    Talk of Flanagan playing some hooker. Seems funny to have Flanagan hooker, with a state of Origin hooker in the halves

    Ben Hunt already thinks he’s imprisoned in 2024, let alone moving him to a position he doesn’t like at club level
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    Post by robelgordo Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:16 pm

    White Lightning wrote:liddle could be playing big mins with no mbye...what are the dragons hooking stocks like in terms i having one on the bench. cheers.

    I don’t think Liddle has a full 80 in him but 60ish would do nicely

    Dragons looked so much better in attack with him on the field
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    Post by robelgordo Sat Dec 30, 2023 12:20 pm

    Camo123 wrote:

    Ben Hunt already thinks he’s imprisoned in 2024, let alone moving him to a position he doesn’t like at club level

    He’s the best halfback in the team by far, while we have a functioning hooker in Liddle. This may be comedy to Matt but it would be tragedy to me if we played Ben Hostage at 9.

    It’s similar to how the Knights didn't play their Origin hooker in the halves in the late 90s and early 2000s
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    Post by Rabbits21 Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:20 pm

    Bethany_B wrote:

    Anyone with more than one brain cell is doing that, my current side has those three as well as Hynes, though I may be forced to give up one of them if we don't get as many cheapies as I think we might.

    You may want to take your Souths goggles off when it comes to Tatola, he just isn't that good in fantasy.
    I do look at it with my Souths goggles is off Tatola in games over 40mins avg 44.5 in 48.5mins.

    If Arrow starts edge and later moves to middle that’s better for Tatola.
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    Post by Rabbits21 Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:30 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    Talk of Flanagan playing some hooker. Seems funny to have Flanagan hooker, with a state of Origin hooker in the halves.

    Lots of potential value hookers in the $500k range, some will deliver, hard to know which at this stage:
    Brandon $530k
    Liddle $536k
    Verrills $553k
    Brailey $575k
    Lussick $459k


    For team structure it makes sense to grab a couple of them and switch to another in that price range if it looks like there is a better option after the first couple of rounds, than one that you have in your team. No need to spend up to Grant.
    Don’t think I can start with Cheese again, Crossland will take mins off Brailey
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    Post by Bethany_B Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:39 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    I do look at it with my Souths goggles is off Tatola in games over 40mins avg 44.5 in 48.5mins.

    If Arrow starts edge and later moves to middle that’s better for Tatola.

    You can't just look at past stats and assume future performance from them - the eye test is just as important if not more so. Tatola is a plodder, albeit one that is a bit underpriced.

    He definitely has a bit of value but I'm not convinced he has enough.
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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:01 pm

    Bethany_B wrote:

    If he's in the team and Hands is not on the bench I don't mind it, but if they're both there (I think this is far more likely than not) then they're both a no go.

    That Eels forward pack has too much depth to play a bit part HOK. Paulo will play fewer, but more intense minutes. Tuilagi good chance to start and may have some value if so. Cartwright goes back to being a valuable sideshow, but non-fantasy relevant. Greig goes back to being a 20-minute power interchange. Lionel Ritchie (Harper) will be one of the elite scoring CTRs, albeit too pricey to select in your team at the start of the year.

    Lussick, Lane, Tuilagi (maybe), and Brown/Moses (perhaps) looking best value at the moment in that side.
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    Post by Rabbits21 Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:32 pm

    Thoughts on Cotric 261k and DPP.

    Only avg 28.8 in 2022
    Only avg 23.1 in 2023

    That’s in games on wing

    Maybe one for your 18-21?
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    Post by Rabbits21 Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:34 pm

    Bethany_B wrote:

    You can't just look at past stats and assume future performance from them - the eye test is just as important if not more so. Tatola is a plodder, albeit one that is a bit underpriced.

    He definitely has a bit of value but I'm not convinced he has enough.
    Tatola had 2/3 knee injuries last year and a neck injury and lost his Father. Calling him a plodder is disrespectful in 2022 he won our George Piggins player of the year award I’m not saying he’s elite by any means but he’s a good first grade prop.
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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Sat Dec 30, 2023 4:58 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    Tatola had 2/3 knee injuries last year and a neck injury and lost his Father. Calling him a plodder is disrespectful in 2022 he won our George Piggins player of the year award I’m not saying he’s elite by any means but he’s a good first grade prop.

    Quite fitting that the Rabbitohs award for "plodder of the year" is named after one of the greatest "plodders" to play the game  NRL Fantasy 2024 Part 1 - Gates are open, come on in - Page 5 1f60b
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    Post by Bethany_B Sat Dec 30, 2023 10:34 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    Tatola had 2/3 knee injuries last year and a neck injury and lost his Father. Calling him a plodder is disrespectful in 2022 he won our George Piggins player of the year award I’m not saying he’s elite by any means but he’s a good first grade prop.

    Nothing wrong with being a plodder, every team needs one (ours is Josh King). They just aren't very good as fantasy options.

    Tatola is perfectly fine IRL but he's mid tier in fantasy.
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    Post by Milchcow Sat Dec 30, 2023 11:12 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    Don’t think I can start with Cheese again, Crossland will take mins off Brailey

    Brailey basically never gets subbed unless he's injured. Unfortunately he has had some serious injuries the past few seasons. But if he can stay fit I'd expect him to play 80 minutes pretty much every week.
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    Post by Rabbits21 Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:04 am

    Milchcow wrote:

    Brailey basically never gets subbed unless he's injured. Unfortunately he has had some serious injuries the past few seasons. But if he can stay fit I'd expect him to play 80 minutes pretty much every week.
    You don’t think Crossland did enough to take a few mins off him? I mean he’s not as good as Brailey but he still did a good job?

    Hmmmm maybe a Robson and Brailey combo could be the way to go.

    The one I’m keen on and people will say I’m crazy is Spencer Leniu especially if JWH is suspended I mean JWH is older now too. I do see Spencer getting an uptick in minutes at the Roosters and going to another level.

    Dare I say it is anyone considering Cheese priced at 39?


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    Post by Bethany_B Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:44 am

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    You don’t think Crossland did enough to take a few mins off him? I mean he’s not as good as Brailey but he still did a good job?

    Hmmmm maybe a Robson and Brailey combo could be the way to go.

    The one I’m keen on and people will say I’m crazy is Spencer Leniu especially if JWH is suspended I mean JWH is older now too. I do see Spencer getting an uptick in minutes at the Roosters and going to another level

    If any forward in that Roosters side is going to get a bump in minutes, it's Terrell May. He was killing it at the end of last year and showed he's capable of it.

    Leniu is a big trap imo, and even May probably isn't enough value (priced at 36, best case probably averages mid 40s which is barely enough)
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    Post by Rabbits21 Sun Dec 31, 2023 12:53 am

    Bethany_B wrote:

    If any forward in that Roosters side is going to get a bump in minutes, it's Terrell May. He was killing it at the end of last year and showed he's capable of it.

    Leniu is a big trap imo, and even May probably isn't enough value (priced at 36, best case probably averages mid 40s which is barely enough)
    Don’t forget though they’re paying big money for Leniu and there is a reason he’s leaving Penrith to step up a bit more
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    Post by Bethany_B Sun Dec 31, 2023 1:26 am

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    Don’t forget though they’re paying  big money for Leniu and there is a reason he’s leaving Penrith to step up a bit more

    That won't do anything to his fantasy scores, his PPM is too low to be worth it anyway. His PPM in 2023 was 0.87 and is priced at 29, so for him to be 10 points of value (averaging 39), he would need to get 45 minutes a game, which is a stretch even in the most optimistic scenarios (he averaged 33.1 minutes per game in 2023 and has only ever played 40+ minutes five times in his whole career).

    Terrell May on the other hand had a PPM of 1.08 in 2023, and is priced at 36, so to be 10 points of value (averaging 46), he would need 43 minutes a game.

    TLDR: I don't think either of them are worth it but May is better than Leniu
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:04 am

    Why would the Roosters sign the best impact forward in the NRL and try to make him less explosive?
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    Post by mattnz Sun Dec 31, 2023 7:25 am

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:Why would the Roosters sign the best impact forward in the NRL and try to make him less explosive?

    Yeah, I agree.

    He is always going to be a small minutes forward, changing clubs doesn't change that, is an impact player, not a guy with a big motor. In 5 seasons, he has never played more than 44 minutes, even when starting, or when players are injured and need someone to step up, it is never him that has the capacity to do so.

    The Leniu trap is well set for this season. Currently in 23% of teams.

    May played 56 and 54 minutes off the bench in the finals series for Roosters last year, for 84 and 56 fantasy points. He is the guy that will step up and take the minutes when needed off the bench.
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    Post by Revraiser Sun Dec 31, 2023 9:53 am

    Hey Guys, wondering if anyone with Kayo can give me a brief rundown or even a thumbs up.or down based on how gud the Nba and Nfl content is on Kayo ? No matter what I search on google for kayo and nba or nfl u cannot pin it down. Is it as gud as having foxtel and the two set channels of 509 and 510 for espn ?


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    Post by rhinoceroo Sun Dec 31, 2023 10:46 am

    mattnz wrote:

    Yeah, I agree.

    He is always going to be a small minutes forward, changing clubs doesn't change that, is an impact player, not a guy with a big motor. In 5 seasons, he has never played more than 44 minutes, even when starting, or when players are injured and need someone to step up, it is never him that has the capacity to do so.

    The Leniu trap is well set for this season. Currently in 23% of teams.

    May played 56 and 54 minutes off the bench in the finals series for Roosters last year, for 84 and 56 fantasy points. He is the guy that will step up and take the minutes when needed off the bench.

    Roosters didn't have JWH or Leniu available in the finals last year. We had to play Egan Butcher at prop ffs.

    JWH might not be available to start the season either, which could sucker a few into May, but if/when he's back as a starter then Collins, JWH and a big minute Radley and May/Leniu/Angus on the bench doesn't leave a huge amount of minutes for May even if Angus spells 2RF as well, considering Leniu should get at least 30 (which doesn't necessarily make him a buy either).

    *edit* and minutes for Watson as well, who might play a bit of lock as well as hooker. And maybe it'll be Sitili on the bench with Angus starting, but that'll still be bench mid/edg. In short, pack too stacked for certain value other than whichever of Angus/Sitili/Wong starts on the edge.


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