2017 NRL.com Fantasy thread part 50

THEGAME wrote:

I though you were talking about me for second there

By that logic, as soon as possible would mean retrospectively. Getting rid of it means creating disincentives for doing it. Not allowing it means punishing players who have done it. Nullifying the advantage means reversing any benefit people obtained from it right? Doesn't sound like you disagree with having any points you gained from this immediately being deducted.

As for the players or the game being the problem, seems like the game has made a decent attempt to establish a rule, but players ignored it. There really is only one course of action to remedy it and that is enforcing the rule.

Here we go!!!

Edit: Nvm

The battle of the ones that looped and the ones that did'nt Loop.

Just fucking with me now fantasy is isn't it! Finucane absolutely fucking flying at HT

NZ just smashed Oracle in that first race, beauty.

573 with Vaughan JDB McInnes and Semi to come, what an amazing round with 12 players.

Finch wrote:

Somewhat agree. It's like having a second life in a video game, or another chance at something when you are meant to get it right the first time.

This argument comes out every year though, people for and against it, personally I'm against it, but it's not "illegal" and Lone Scout even mentions how to do it. So until they fix it and Lone Scout stops giving instructions, it will continue year after year. Your Captain should be locked in at the start of the round, plain and simple to me.

Didn't someone quit the forum last year because they said people who were looping were cheating and most people blasted him? Who was it again, don't remember lol.

I would like Vice Captain removed with the ability to change captains during the round. Still one bite at the cherry but don't like it being locked out 3 days before your captain might play

My 2c. Now is not the time to change anything, either retrospectively or prosoectively. It should have been sorted before the season started one way or the other. It's whoever runs this comp that should cop 100% of the blame here as they are the only ones who have fucked up. I also like the ability to loophole. It adds another dimension to the game.

The loophole is no different from last year or year before I think. When they said they got rid of loophole aren't they referring to the way you can or could loop regardless in Supercoach? (I don't play SC but thought that was what it was about)

Whinging about loophole is pointless. It's a strategy available to everyone

Can't wait for the Dragons game to lock out so my loophole comes into effect. I personally don't like using it as it's a form of cheating but you are forced into it because everyone else will use it. In the old days of fantasy once the first lock out happened then that was it. Once they changed to the rolling lockout which was brought in to solve problems with the old system lockout then people found ways to exploit it & the loophole evolved.

If everyone and anyone can loophole it's not exactly cheating, it's an aspect of the game you have to adjust to.

I think it would be better without loophole, because if you have 18 green dots for a round you are at the disadvantage for that round compared to someone with 17 green dots, especially with a Crichton like score involved.

But to get rid of loophole it needs to be before the start of the season, not half way through as R&T says.

Finch wrote:@MTB @Mul

How good is the ET try for us owners!!!

Legend haha

Yeah mate, I'd always considered I would trade him out round 18, but now I'm not so sure!

Loopholing is just a fault of the game, if it is there to use people are going to, its human nature, can't blame us. Also it's not guaranteed points, all it is in reality you get like a mulligan with your captain choice. If you take another shot, there is no guarantee that the second shot is better.

Plus, if Crichton and Tolo got both sub 50 scores, these discussions would't even be taking place.

So with Suli and Braileys scores they shouldn't drop more than 33K combined which is what I needed for next week. Should be able to strsight turn Brailey into Smith and Suli into Edwards.

multiple.scoregasms wrote:

I would like Vice Captain removed with the ability to change captains during the round. Still one bite at the cherry but don't like it being locked out 3 days before your captain might play

Yip I like this idea, no vc but the ability to change your captain during the round

Honey Badger wrote:

Yip I like this idea, no vc but the ability to change your captain during the round

Personally I think that's worse. At least this only happens during bye rounds unless you're willing to risk running with 17 long term.

EPL fantasy is much more unforgiving. Don't even get team lists

wolfking wrote:So with Suli and Braileys scores they shouldn't drop more than 33K combined which is what I needed for next week. Should be able to strsight turn Brailey into Smith and Suli into Edwards.

It's good that you waited. I think they need to score less than 40 combined for you to not afford

wolfking wrote:Loopholing is just a fault of the game, if it is there to use people are going to, its human nature, can't blame us. Also it's not guaranteed points, all it is in reality you get like a mulligan with your captain choice. If you take another shot, there is no guarantee that the second shot is better.

Plus, if Crichton and Tolo got both sub 50 scores, these discussions would't even be taking place.

Yeah last time I looped a 65 Surgess scored 90 something. People need to stop complaining. It carries inherent risk. It's really the Crichton score that's set people off

Was planning to cash out Capewell in the next few weeks to build my Fifita fund so hopefully he holds a starting spot with a low B/e

The self righteousness of non-loopers is both unjustified and annoying AF. The term loophole itself is a misnomer and is not against the rules and is actively promoted by those that run the game.

"Make sure to choose a Captain who you think will be the highest scoring Player in your Team, because your Captain scores double points.
If your selected Captain doesn’t play then your Vice Captain’s Score will be doubled.
There is no longer the ability to take advantage of the “Captain Loophole”. All Captain selections must be made prior to the first game of the round and the Captain selection CANNOT be altered after the beginning of the round.
A Captain can be substituted out of a team during a round, but no other player can be made Captain. In that case, the Vice Captain will be awarded double points.
RESERVES
Each week you must select up to 4 Reserves. These 4 Reserves can come from anywhere on your Interchange Bench and be from any Position
All 4 Reserve Players’ Scores count towards your Fantasy total Score for that round.
EMERGENCY
Your team is awarded ONE Emergency in the event that any one (or more) of your Starting 17 Players does not play and receives a Score of 0 points.
A player from your Starting Lineup who doesn't take the field will be replaced by the lowest scoring Player from your Interchange Bench, whose minutes played are greater than 0 and whose Score is greater than 0.
The Emergency Score will be automatically added to the total points scored to your Team."

From the rules above:
1. When they talk out closing the loophole they are referring to the old version. Can't quite remember what that was but others on here will, and the name stuck which is why the term as people use it now is a misnomer because that implies you are doing something against the rules when you are not.
2. If your Captain doesn't play your VC gets double
3. You cannot change your Captain but you can sub him out and VC gets double.
4. You get one emergency if one of your 17 doesn't play. It doesn't say that person can't be the captain.

The rules as they stand explicitly allow this tactic and it is available to all and is well publicised so as to not disadvantage people. Not using it is misguided and I don't feel the least bit 'hollow' about it. If they change the rules next year then fair play I would adapt my strategy but talking about doing retrospectively is just stupid.

Even if it was an ordinary week and you had Crichton VC and Gallen C and lowest NPR was Suli you could lose Gallen score all together and make 21pt profit. If you did this with Lolo C you lose 19pts