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Seems there was interest in having a Supercoach thread, so I thought I would start one. Supercoach is now open to create teams.
This initial post should hopefully assist those that currently play Fantasy and may be interested in trying Supercoach (SC) to understand some of the key differences between the formats to get them up to speed quickly.
I play both Supercoach and Fantasy, so for me one of the key things is looking at some of the cost differentials to try to find some real bargains in one format vs the other and maybe discuss some strategy differences as well.
In general players are going to cost more in Fantasy than in Supercoach, with the same cap in place, but have less players to purchase.
Some common player selections to give you an idea of pretty standard cost differentials:
Fifita - $634k SC vs $864k F - 36% higher in F
Pangai - $495k SC vs $640k F - 29% higher in F
Radley - $400k SC vs $503k F - 26% higher in F
Turbo - $691k SC vs $732k F - 6% higher in F
Teddy - $689k SC vs $795k F - 15% higher in F
Bottom dollar player - $168k SC vs 212k F - 26% higher in F
Typical rule of thumb, a forward will generally be around 25-35% higher cost in Fantasy than in SC and average around 30% more, while elite backs tend to be around 5-15% more in Fantasy, averaging around 10% more. In SC backs typically have a higher opportunity to go huge than they do in Fantasy, mostly due to the increased value of Tries (17 points) and Assists (12 points).
Some of the interesting bigger differences in costs and positional options for players between the 2 formats:
- Arrow is dual FRF/2RF in fantasy, but only 2RF in supercoach. Being able to play him in the front row rather than in the always stacked 2RF is a huge benefit he has in fantasy but not in supercoach.
- John Bateman - 2RF/CTR in both formats but costs only $400k in SC but $593k in Fantasy. Even accounting for the typical 30% markup in cost between the 2, at 48% differential, he is either likely to be a massive bargain in SC or massively over-priced in Fantasy.
- Ryan Sutton - FRF $320k SC vs $511k F a massive 60% premium in Fantasy over SC. If priced even close to correctly in Fantasy he is a huge bargain in SC
SCORING CONSIDERATIONS
Scoring tends to be higher in SC than in Fantasy. The key differences are:
- Players that make mistakes tend to get punished more in F than in SC. A missed tackle is -2 in F vs -1 in SC and overall points are lower in F than SC, so it is really the equivalent of almost -3 in SC points terms.
- Tries (17 points) and assists (12 points) are worth more in SC
- Player scoring tends to favour those that have a long kicking game in Fantasy vs Supercoach. In supercoach you can't get points for it, but can get errors.
- A new rule has been added this year for SC where up to 4 players that contribute to a try can get 4 points each for it, replacing last years Last Touch points. Halves will be the big winner from this rule change and the point differential isn't included in the pricing this season. Hookers who often go the Last Touch points last season will be the big losers from the rule change.
The loophole option in Fantasy isn't available in Supercoach. In Fantasy it makes players being injured short-term less of an issue, as you can use them not playing to loop. This season I am going to seriously try to hold trades early where possible, (assuming my initial team was on track or close to it) and get through injuries using the loop rather than trading them out. Last season I tried holding players that wouldn't play to loop them and found injuries were too much of an issue when they occurred.
POSITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS
Positions tend to matter more in SC than in Fantasy. In fantasy we saw some really successful teams that had 5 hookers stacked in them to get consistent points each week. In SC there are only 2 actual hooker spots, the only way to do this would be to have duals in other positions like Kurt Mann.
Note that at CTW you have 7 slots to fill, and only 2 FLB slots available. This means having both Teddy and Turbo stops you getting other players that are also FLBs. Less of an issue this year than last, when Ponga was also available at FLB only, this year he is dual. It means you can't have someone like RTS as well though and can be an issue over the SOO period.
I was pleased to see Corey Allan available at both CTW and FLB, which means he is an option for selection across the multiple CTW places. Typically in SC the successful strategy has been to stack cows in almost all the CTW positions (7 in total).
This initial post should hopefully assist those that currently play Fantasy and may be interested in trying Supercoach (SC) to understand some of the key differences between the formats to get them up to speed quickly.
I play both Supercoach and Fantasy, so for me one of the key things is looking at some of the cost differentials to try to find some real bargains in one format vs the other and maybe discuss some strategy differences as well.
In general players are going to cost more in Fantasy than in Supercoach, with the same cap in place, but have less players to purchase.
Some common player selections to give you an idea of pretty standard cost differentials:
Fifita - $634k SC vs $864k F - 36% higher in F
Pangai - $495k SC vs $640k F - 29% higher in F
Radley - $400k SC vs $503k F - 26% higher in F
Turbo - $691k SC vs $732k F - 6% higher in F
Teddy - $689k SC vs $795k F - 15% higher in F
Bottom dollar player - $168k SC vs 212k F - 26% higher in F
Typical rule of thumb, a forward will generally be around 25-35% higher cost in Fantasy than in SC and average around 30% more, while elite backs tend to be around 5-15% more in Fantasy, averaging around 10% more. In SC backs typically have a higher opportunity to go huge than they do in Fantasy, mostly due to the increased value of Tries (17 points) and Assists (12 points).
Some of the interesting bigger differences in costs and positional options for players between the 2 formats:
- Arrow is dual FRF/2RF in fantasy, but only 2RF in supercoach. Being able to play him in the front row rather than in the always stacked 2RF is a huge benefit he has in fantasy but not in supercoach.
- John Bateman - 2RF/CTR in both formats but costs only $400k in SC but $593k in Fantasy. Even accounting for the typical 30% markup in cost between the 2, at 48% differential, he is either likely to be a massive bargain in SC or massively over-priced in Fantasy.
- Ryan Sutton - FRF $320k SC vs $511k F a massive 60% premium in Fantasy over SC. If priced even close to correctly in Fantasy he is a huge bargain in SC
SCORING CONSIDERATIONS
Scoring tends to be higher in SC than in Fantasy. The key differences are:
- Players that make mistakes tend to get punished more in F than in SC. A missed tackle is -2 in F vs -1 in SC and overall points are lower in F than SC, so it is really the equivalent of almost -3 in SC points terms.
- Tries (17 points) and assists (12 points) are worth more in SC
- Player scoring tends to favour those that have a long kicking game in Fantasy vs Supercoach. In supercoach you can't get points for it, but can get errors.
- A new rule has been added this year for SC where up to 4 players that contribute to a try can get 4 points each for it, replacing last years Last Touch points. Halves will be the big winner from this rule change and the point differential isn't included in the pricing this season. Hookers who often go the Last Touch points last season will be the big losers from the rule change.
The loophole option in Fantasy isn't available in Supercoach. In Fantasy it makes players being injured short-term less of an issue, as you can use them not playing to loop. This season I am going to seriously try to hold trades early where possible, (assuming my initial team was on track or close to it) and get through injuries using the loop rather than trading them out. Last season I tried holding players that wouldn't play to loop them and found injuries were too much of an issue when they occurred.
POSITIONAL CONSIDERATIONS
Positions tend to matter more in SC than in Fantasy. In fantasy we saw some really successful teams that had 5 hookers stacked in them to get consistent points each week. In SC there are only 2 actual hooker spots, the only way to do this would be to have duals in other positions like Kurt Mann.
Note that at CTW you have 7 slots to fill, and only 2 FLB slots available. This means having both Teddy and Turbo stops you getting other players that are also FLBs. Less of an issue this year than last, when Ponga was also available at FLB only, this year he is dual. It means you can't have someone like RTS as well though and can be an issue over the SOO period.
I was pleased to see Corey Allan available at both CTW and FLB, which means he is an option for selection across the multiple CTW places. Typically in SC the successful strategy has been to stack cows in almost all the CTW positions (7 in total).
