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On it. Will set one up now.

I have compiled the early results of the 2nd method using an online poll. Looking pretty similar overall and looks pretty balanced, with cover for all positions, 4 x <$250k NPRs (plus 1 in the team, Brown) and decent bench strength.

While some players that put us over cap needed to be omitted (listed below with their vote tallies), there was only 1 solution that worked within budget, so no additional voting was required to form the team.

Macca
Fifita TPJ
Murray Arrow Stimson
Morgan Brown
Capewell Holland
Edwards Drinkwater CNK

Mahoney Tolman Bird Egan
Nikora Allan Keighran Lomax

Omitted due to cap constraints: Votes
Cleary                                   10
Tedesco                                   10
Crichton                                   9
Watson                                   7

In the bank $51,000

mattnz wrote:I have compiled the early results of the 2nd method using an online poll. Looking pretty similar overall and looks pretty balanced, with cover for all positions, 4 x <$250k NPRs (plus 1 in the team, Brown) and decent bench strength.

While some players that put us over cap needed to be omitted (listed below with their vote tallies), there was only 1 solution that worked within budget, so no additional voting was required to form the team.

Macca
Fifita TPJ
Murray Arrow Stimson
Morgan Brown
Capewell Holland
Edwards Drinkwater CNK

Mahoney Tolman Bird Egan
Nikora Allan Keighran Lomax

Omitted due to cap constraints: Votes
Cleary                                      10
Tedesco                                    10
Crichton                                     9
Watson                                      7

In the bank $51,000

Love the forward pack, but to be honest, that is a pretty risky midranger backline which could screw the team if it fails. Do we really need all of Bird, Nikora, and Lomax as cover for a team that has spent so much in the centres? Namely Bird?

It is actually pretty similar to my team at the moment:

Me: Cleary + Watson + Leilua + Twal + Burr vs Team: Morgan + CNK + Holland + Tolman + Macca.

Looks a pretty good team really and not sure which I like better. I think Watson will go nuts with Tbs and run metres this year.

Iron Mike wrote:

Love the forward pack, but to be honest, that is a pretty risky midranger backline which could screw the team if it fails. Do we really need all of Bird, Nikora, and Lomax as cover for a team that has spent so much in the centres? Namely Bird?

It is actually pretty similar to my team at the moment:

Me: Cleary + Watson + Leilua + Twal + Burr vs Team: Morgan + CNK + Holland + Tolman  + Macca.

Looks a pretty good team really and not sure which I like better. I think Watson will go nuts with Tbs and run metres this year.

Ones like Teddy (10) and Watson (7) got a reasonable number of votes but put us way over the cap. The only way to get higher cost WFBs is to drop other players that had much higher votes in other positions that are very much consensus picks.

I expect that TLT will throw up a number of value options that rearrange the format of the team, with more mid-range forwards. Currently it is very top-heavy in the forwards. Stimson is currently the only $400k range player, with a big gap between Nikora $212k and Murray $595k.

But some of these options below are going to suddenly appear at TLT in that range that are going to be great value, that mix up the team balance a lot, either removing some top heavy picks, freeing up cash for less mid-rangers at WFB to be upgraded to guns/sub-guns, or if ones like Nikora aren't named, forcing more basement cost WFBs to fit under the cap:
Sue starting @ $433k
Napa starting @ $355k
Leilua starting @ $447k
Carty starting 2nd row @ $273k (controversial I know, but if named starting 2nd row as some predict, most are likely to pick him at that price point for the significant upside potential if he turns it around).

Additional bargain WFBs always appear at TLT, and if ones like Sivo are named he is sure to be a very playable WFB in most teams here at $212k, freeing up cash from a mid-ranger like CNK. Sivo has averaged 2 tries per game over both full seasons the last 2 years, he is built for fantasy, just needs a start.

Personally I think Bird is a trap compared with other options out there. If Nikora is named to start in 2nd row, his upside vs cost is incomparable to Bird's.

I think Bird (7) / Holland (10) / Capewell (18) / Nikora (13) is the one position where I very much doubt many, if any, have all 4 in their team, but they have all polled highly and because of their cost, when we need to be cap compliant, they all get in the team ahead of Teddy (10), Cleary (10), Crichton (9), Watson (7).

Note that the top 21 players regardless of cap, would be $1.5M over the cap, not a small amount. Nikora will become more polarizing if named (then a must have in every team vote and likely replacing Bird in most teams that had Bird), or if not named, then he will be missing in every vote, so TLT should sort this out and only have 3 of the 4 selected.

This is why I think it is so important to start again from scratch at TLT as the current team structure doesn't reflect the extreme value available from outlier TLT selections that totally change the balance of the team. This method of team selection allows for a very fast, transparent way to select a team within 24 hours.

mattnz wrote:I have compiled the early results of the 2nd method using an online poll. Looking pretty similar overall and looks pretty balanced, with cover for all positions, 4 x <$250k NPRs (plus 1 in the team, Brown) and decent bench strength.

While some players that put us over cap needed to be omitted (listed below with their vote tallies), there was only 1 solution that worked within budget, so no additional voting was required to form the team.

Macca
Fifita TPJ
Murray Arrow Stimson
Morgan Brown
Capewell Holland
Edwards Drinkwater CNK

Mahoney Tolman Bird Egan
Nikora Allan Keighran Lomax

Omitted due to cap constraints: Votes
Cleary                                      10
Tedesco                                    10
Crichton                                     9
Watson                                      7

In the bank $51,000

I like the team although I suspect with TLT more value will be apparent in the forwards, at which time I image there will be a reshuffle. I agree with Mike that hopefully that reshuffle would involve de-risking a bit - Bird out, and perhaps Fifi/TPH out to permit 2 more value picks. For example the likes of Leilua and Fotuaika might required if TLT plays out like some people are suggesting.

The basis of the team looks really solid though.

Im wondering if, come TLT, it might be useful to throw together a poll that lists all the fringe value guys we have been talking about - but that haven't got a position cemented currently in their respective starting lineups (e.g Leilua who currently doesn't have many votes due to the JDB factor but who would be straight in a number of teams if he starts the year and JDB is gone). That would quite quickly allow us to rank the guys that we need to find places for at the expense of guys that are currently in the team but received relatively few votes... Just a thought.

Rippin and Tearin wrote:

I like the team although I suspect with TLT more value will be apparent in the forwards, at which time I image there will be a reshuffle. I agree with Mike that hopefully that reshuffle would involve de-risking a bit - Bird out, and perhaps Fifi/TPH out to permit 2 more value picks. For example the likes of Leilua and Fotuaika might required if TLT plays out like some people are suggesting.

The basis of the team looks really solid though.

Im wondering if, come TLT, it might be useful to throw together a poll that lists all the fringe value guys we have been talking about - but that haven't got a position cemented currently in their respective starting lineups (e.g Leilua who currently doesn't have many votes due to the JDB factor but who would be straight in a number of teams if he starts the year and JDB is gone). That would quite quickly allow us to rank the guys that we need to find places for at the expense of guys that are currently in the team but received relatively few votes... Just a thought.

A new poll post TLT will quickly resolve the team balance and select those that fit with it. Hard to make decisions in isolation.

We saw already the difference of Haas being suspended, which occurred between the first  team selection method and the second one. It instantly changes the selections and balance.

I would expect Fifi (14 votes) and TPJ (10) to remain in the team, likely Stimson (14) and Tolman (10) getting replaced by other forwards that provide better value, with more upside potential. I would have a starting Leilua over Stimson any day, and a starting Napa or Sue should offer better upside value than Tolman in that pack.

I am actually surprised Tolman is so popular, his PPM of 0.73 last season with an average of 56 minutes, even if he went to a very top end 65 minutes (huge for a middle, only Surgess, Jurbo, Lolo are in that range, even guys like Fifi only averaged 57 minutes last season), while retaining his PPM, that would only be an extra 6 points per game, hitting a 47 point average and still needing an upgrade to a gun at some point.

mattnz wrote:

A new poll post TLT will quickly resolve the team balance and select those that fit with it. Hard to make decisions in isolation.

We saw already the difference of Haas being suspended, which occurred between the first  team selection method and the second one. It instantly changes the selections and balance.

I would expect Fifi (14 votes) and TPJ (10) to remain in the team, likely Stimson (14) and Tolman (10) getting replaced by other forwards that provide better value, with more upside potential. I would have a starting Leilua over Stimson any day, and a starting Napa or Sue should offer better upside value than Tolman in that pack.

I am actually surprised Tolman is so popular, his PPM of 0.73 last season with an average of 56 minutes, even if he went to a very top end 65 minutes (huge for a middle, only Surgess, Jurbo, Lolo are in that range, even guys like Fifi only averaged 57 minutes last season), while retaining his PPM, that would only be an extra 6 points per game, hitting a 47 point average and still needing an upgrade to a gun at some point.

I concur with the Bird out talk, better to spend the 70K elsewhere. I'm loving the Fifi and TPJ front row, and am also surprised about the Tolman popularity, he doesn't have much upside and will be a 40 point plodder. I would have both Stimson and Leilua if starting. Wouldn't touch Napa or Sue.

I haven’t put my personal team together yet so unsure on the number of guns and cows we start with but in previous years wasn’t it something like 7/8 guns and 7/8 cows with the rest filled by kid rangers?

Looking at that team above I see maybe 5 guns.

How many of each do people have in their personal teams?

The reason I ask is because I think it’s more important to fill guns and then cows via vote then by position polls voting. As I posted at the beginning of the thread I would have had a poll for guns and a poll for cows made that the spine of the team and then had position polls to fill the remaining spots (with only players that fit the remaining salary)

While initially unsure on milchs idea I have started to come around a little on it after reading peoples posts and if we continue with just the 2 current plans I’d lean to that team

Shanbon wrote:The reason I ask is because I think it’s more important to fill guns and then cows via vote then by position polls voting. As I posted at the beginning of the thread I would have had a poll for guns and a poll for cows made that the spine of the team and then had position polls to fill the remaining spots (with only players that fit the remaining salary)

While initially unsure on milchs idea I have started to come around a little on it after reading peoples posts and if we continue with just the 2 current plans I’d lean to that team

The current cap and 21 player format strongly favour value with upside picks, not straight guns. No one has more than 2-4 guns in their sides in fantasy. In supercoach you can add another 5 guns easily to that.

The most valuable players to pick are those not priced as guns that become guns this season, like Cook last season, that is who you want to identify. If you have 10 guys in that undervalued range, you will unearth a few that become guns.

This is the team as it stands.

We will revisit after TLT to make sure we haven't picked any obvious duds, or missed any obvious bargains

Rasta and I have had a bit of a discussion and we have decided only to consider players who are in their starting 13 for their teams in round 1.
Get some scoring from the start

McCullough
Fifita Tolman
Murray Arrow Stimson
Morgan Brown
Holland Nikora
Tedesco Edwards Lomax

Capewell
TPJ
Mahoney
Keighran

Burr
Bird
Allen
Hopoate

Looka good. Ready to roll

I think the main issue is weakness at WFB

Have to play 1 of Allen/Hopoate/Lomax which may not be ideal.

CNK and Brett Morris are the next best in line - including one of them would have flow on effects to the rest of team balance though

Milchy wrote:
I think the main issue is weakness at WFB

Have to play 1 of Allen/Hopoate/Lomax which may not be ideal.

CNK and Brett Morris are the next best in line - including one of them would have flow on effects to the rest of team balance though

At TLT Xerri could be available at WFB, trial form could indicate others that are more worthwhile playing, like Ravalawa who did great in his first trial.

The idea of only starting 13 players really appeals to me and is something I've been looking at for my own team. Hats off to you guys for the work you're doing

Milchy wrote:
I think the main issue is weakness at WFB

Have to play 1 of Allen/Hopoate/Lomax which may not be ideal.

CNK and Brett Morris are the next best in line - including one of them would have flow on effects to the rest of team balance though

Dear me. If that fullback is a worry you don’t want to see my team. Teddy and Edwards!

Great going on this guys. I think the side is a good representative of a “Fanatics Template” which is exactly what it should be

Team is looking good

Cap'n Ranta wrote:Team is looking good

That's a good looking team

If I wasn’t so slack I’d be tempted have a WAG copy of this team and try to beat you lot. I have a feeling that with lots of input the trading may end up being too risk averse for a really high finish.

When does this team have to be submitted to that scout fella?? After TLT??
Stimson is a worry.