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    NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 7

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    Post by my tv broke Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:41 pm

    Iron Mike wrote:I don't agree with this, your decision should be based on the individual player and not what position they are. Sivo maxed out last year at $532k after round 11. Lawrie maxed out at $577K after round 9. Lawrie hit $539K after round 7. Don't just stack your reserves with outside backs because they are playing 80 minutes and have a high chance of scoring a try. Trick is to pick the 40 minute bench forwards and not the 15-20 minute ones.

    Lawrie was starting though. Admittedly, he was on the bench in round 1, but the bench consisted of Latimore, Leilua, and Dufty - it was pretty clear he was the main bench middle ie big role.

    If you are picking a bench forward you would want to be sure he is that #1 bench forward, the first interchange that is on after 20 mins and plays out the middle of the game. Otherwise you're getting dud scores, which I htink was the point. Players that buck that trend (like Kikau and Hess when he first came onto the scene) are rare.


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    Post by my tv broke Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:43 pm

    Camo123 wrote:Could save a trade and get him from the start like Xerri Beer

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    Post by my tv broke Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:45 pm

    Honey Badger wrote:

    Kikau would be a go with your gut pick. Im currently playing around with Kikau, Taumalolo and Fifita as my backrow. Very boom or bust!

    I still think Kikau will be the go to player for the Panthers and surely he can bounce back from last year

    It was mentioned by someone in comms during the 9s weekend that Kikau played most of 2019 with injuries but is now fully fit.

    I like the Kikau pick. He showed form in 9s, which isn't entirely meaningless. Most importantly he was running hard and busting tackles, and that will grow his confidence.
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    Post by Chewie Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:51 pm

    Iron Mike wrote:

    We will know by before lockout which makes Grant the perfect foil for loophole in round 1. Storm play sunday also. Could allow you to have two bites at the 4th reserve for week 1.

    Oh dear, someone mentioned the L-word
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    Post by Camo123 Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:53 pm

    Hey MTB, would you be able to put Starford To'a stats from R25 last year on your website if possible

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    Post by my tv broke Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:54 pm

    Iron Mike wrote:

    We will know by before lockout which makes Grant the perfect foil for loophole in round 1. Storm play sunday also. Could allow you to have two bites at the 4th reserve for week 1.

    We should have a pretty good idea whether its happening, but i doubt we get anything official until the end of round 1.
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    Post by Milchcow Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:00 pm

    Camo123 wrote:Hey MTB, would you be able to put Starford To'a stats from R25 last year on your website if possible


    35 fantasy points from

    1 try, 124mg, 2 TBs, 18 tackles (2 missed), 3 errors and 1 kick defused
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    Post by Iron Mike Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:01 pm

    my tv broke wrote:

    Lawrie was starting though. Admittedly, he was on the bench in round 1, but the bench consisted of Latimore, Leilua, and Dufty - it was pretty clear he was the main bench middle ie big role.

    If you are picking a bench forward you would want to be sure he is that #1 bench forward, the first interchange that is on after 20 mins and plays out the middle of the game. Otherwise you're getting dud scores, which I htink was the point.

    Tell that to the teams that went with Host over Lawrie because Host was starting.
    Like I said, its player dependent, but I ain't just going to pick a back because they play 80. I think that general advice is not that helpful to improving teams.
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    Post by Guest Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:03 pm

    Iron Mike wrote:

    I don't agree with this, your decision should be based on the individual player and not what position they are. Sivo maxed out last year at $532k after round 11. Lawrie maxed out at $577K after round 9. Lawrie hit $539K after round 7. Don't just stack your reserves with outside backs because they are playing 80 minutes and have a high chance of scoring a try. Trick is to pick the 40 minute bench forwards and not the 15-20 minute ones.

    Look for backs that can break tackles like Sivo and then when they don't score tries they will still score high enough to hold.
    I would prefer a 35-40 minute Musgrove over Saab, who isn't even assured of a spot over Pereira, Ravalawa and Sailor.

    It’s easier for the average player to select an 80min starting Wfb than pick the next 40min+ Lawrie.
    There lies the example, what if you guess wrong and get a host who was meant to be the extra beneficiary (for some) of these extra minutes. How discussed was that?

    Musgrove is a good example, career avg of 29 off 39mins and out of the game for 2 years in a stacked Tigers team notorious for chopping and changing forward rotations.
    Would you be happy with this?
    I didn’t mention Saab as you chose this example, will be interesting how this plays out.
    If Crichton starts for the Panthers can I choose him instead?
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    Post by Chewie Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:04 pm

    my tv broke wrote:

    We should have a pretty good idea whether its happening, but i doubt we get anything official until the end of round 1.

    If it unofficially looks like it's happening I'll be keen to have Grant as a :Rope: in round 1
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    Post by Mulvy Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:06 pm

    Iron Mike wrote:

    Tell that to the teams that went with Host over Lawrie because Host was starting.
    Like I said, its player dependent, but I ain't just going to pick a back because they play 80. I think that general advice is not that helpful to improving teams.

    I think you're both right. When picking backs you're looking for that tackle busting type. When picking bench forwards, you want the one with the significant role/high work rate. Both of which are often easier said than done.
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:12 pm

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    2020 drink is Leleisuiuao Beer

    I think it will be grant actually
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    Post by Jumping Marlin Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:13 pm

    Mulling over a version of the “how much is a trade worth” and “cows and guns strategy”. Looks to me that the fanhub tax has lead to a lot of draft teams having more mid rangers than normal. Mine too.

    A question I asked myself: if things go according to plan, how many of my initial 21 man squad will I keep all year. My draft team had max of 6 (Friend, Lolo, Fifita, Cleary, Aubo, Pap) but only 3 certain keepers. So, I have set up my team with a plan/requirement to make 18 trades. That leaves 16 for injuries, byes, further cash generation.

    I made a few changes to a more guns/cows strategy eg Luai into starting half. I now have 8 who could stay in the team all year and 6 I’d call keepers. Hey presto, I’ve just saved 3 trades!

    Upside is trades are gold.

    The downsides are:

    1: I have weakened the point scoring of team (in Moga/Luai, out Aubo, JMK). I reckon it might cost me, initially 10-20points per week.
    2: I have potentially limited cash generation
    3: I have had to make calls on which guns to take a punt on, and may miss getting them cheaper later.

    An aside to this: is starting with Haas effectively a 1 trade tax on yourself as you can convert him and a mid ranger to two keepers?

    Sorry, just a ramble of thinking.

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    Post by Loomer Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:16 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    That's pretty much my team at the moment, so I approve

    Not a million mile of mine either
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:18 pm

    Jumping Marlin wrote:Mulling over a version of the “how much is a trade worth” and “cows and guns strategy”.  Looks to me that the fanhub tax has lead to a lot of draft teams having more mid rangers than normal.  Mine too.

    A question I asked myself:  if things go according to plan, how many of my initial 21 man squad will I keep all year.  My draft team had max of 6 (Friend, Lolo, Fifita, Cleary, Aubo, Pap) but only 3 certain keepers. So, I have set up my team with a plan/requirement to make 18 trades.  That leaves 16 for injuries, byes, further cash generation.

    I made a few changes to a more guns/cows strategy eg Luai into starting half.  I now have 8 who could stay in the team all year and 6 I’d call keepers.  Hey presto, I’ve just saved 3 trades!

    Upside is trades are gold.

    The downsides are:  

    1:  I have weakened the point scoring of team (in Moga/Luai, out Aubo, JMK).  I reckon it might cost me, initially 10-20points per week.  
    2: I have potentially limited cash generation
    3: I have had to make calls on which guns to take a punt on, and may miss getting them cheaper later.

    An aside to this: is starting with Haas effectively a 1 trade tax on yourself as you can convert him and a mid ranger to two keepers?

    Sorry, just a ramble of thinking.  


    Need to consider origin too. Last year I started with no origin players, this year it seems everyone will have some. Hard to avoid Haas, Fifita, Friend, Cleary for a start.
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    Post by Iron Mike Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:20 pm

    Boozecluez wrote:

    It’s easier for the average player to select an 80min starting Wfb than pick the next 40min+ Lawrie.
    There lies the example, what if you guess wrong and get a host who was meant to be the extra beneficiary (for some) of these extra minutes. How discussed was that?

    Musgrove is a good example, career avg of 29 off 39mins and out of the game for 2 years in a stacked Tigers team notorious for chopping and changing forward rotations.
    Would you be happy with this?
    I didn’t mention Saab as you chose this example, will be interesting how this plays out.
    If Crichton starts for the Panthers  can I choose him instead?

    Yeah maybe, but Crichton isn't 246K or under and most probably a centre.
    I expect Musgrove to average 30 but if I picked Crichton and he hit 30s I'd be ecstatic.
    On Musgrove, I'm sure he has still been training and hitting the gym and all that, it could mean his body is really fresh and he goes extra well.

    If Leleisuiuao gets a start he has the stats to give me confidence he will score well. I just won't be filling my bench with any back that gets picked because they play 80 and may score a try.
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:20 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    Need to consider origin too. Last year I started with no origin players, this year it seems everyone will have some. Hard to avoid Haas, Fifita, Friend, Cleary for a start.

    I've currently got 1 definite(Cook) and 2 maybes (Friend, Hess)
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    Post by Mulvy Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:20 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    I think it will be grant actually

    Haha, i think he's making fun of how many times you've mentioned Lelaslesliou rather than who you're loophole is Very Happy
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    Post by thelastdodo Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:25 pm

    Iron Mike wrote:Just had another look at things trying to reduce players priced between 30 and 40 points (roughly 450K to 600K). Trying to get back to cows and guns team.

    Api (493K but obvious value)
    Hass (C), Carrigan
    Lolo, NBrown, DFifita
    Cleary (VC), Mann
    Capewell, Lomax
    Papenhuyzen, Drinkwater, Aekins

    JWilliams (472K but obvious value if starting lock), BBrailey, Musgrove, Magoulias

    Luai, Curran, Rudolf, Leleisiuao.
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    Post by my tv broke Fri Feb 21, 2020 1:26 pm

    I think the Grant deal in inevitable. In that interview he said "i need to be playing NRL this season to improve".

    Reading between the lines it seemed as though he was given the impression that Smith would retire at end of 2019.

    Storm best interests to keep him happy, and they get a better player in 2021.

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