2022 Brisbane Broncos Thread Top 13 in our sights

Dip wrote:Lets be honest here, notwithstanding that Boyd has been shit all season and average at best last season. People who support teams that have been starved of success the last 15 years (eg Newcastle, Parramatta and NSW) have a pretty groggy memory of how things were, and probably due to success craving dillusions, seem to make up shit and can't be convinced otherwise. A bit like the people who think Andrew Johns was the greatest Origin halfback of all time despite only winning 7 of his 16 starts there, the stats just don't support their argument.

Dip wrote:Lets be honest here, notwithstanding that Boyd has been shit all season and average at best last season. People who support teams that have been starved of success the last 15 years (eg Newcastle, Parramatta and NSW) have a pretty groggy memory of how things were, and probably due to success craving dillusions, seem to make up shit and can't be convinced otherwise. A bit like the people who think Andrew Johns was the greatest Origin halfback of all time despite only winning 7 of his 16 starts there, the stats just don't support their argument.

Poor old Pieman also compares his achievements to what Valentine Holmes has done saying that Holmes scored all those tries outside an immortal (ie Inglis). This is the same Valentine Holmes who only scored 2 tries when on the wing outside of Inglis. No more than he scored outside Gagai (in twice as many matches) and half as many as he scored outside Chambers (in the same amount of matches).

The difference between these sort of people, and the people who don't need to stroke their ego by making up stuff to cover their own insecurities because they've supported winning teams (eg QLD supporters) is that people who support winning teams are comfortable enough giving credit where it is deserved, even if towards the end of their career they were solid players at best. Take Jarryd Hayne for instance. His stint at the Titans and second stint at Parra and NSW were not fantastic, but almost all QLDers are prepared to acknowledge that for quite a few years Hayne was one hell of a player. Same story with guys like Akuila Uate (but for a much shorter time frame).

So that said, lets look at the facts:
1. Made his NRL debut as an 18 year old. Despite being in a star studded team that ultimately won the premiership, he was a regular in the team playing 27 times in his first season, and played more than a third of the regular season at Fullback in a team that contained Karmichael Hunt and Justin Hodges at fullback that year.
2. RLPA Rookie of the Year
3. Two time premiership player
4. Clive Churchill Medallist
5. RLPA Player of the Year
6. Ron Macauliffe Medalist
7. 28 State of Origins, including 9 series wins
8. 2nd most tries scored all time in origin
9. 23 tests for Australia (almost 40% of them at Fullback, where only once did a team get within 2 converted tries)
10. Winningest test player ever with a 23-0-0 record.
11. World Cup Winner
12. Over 300 NRL Games, Over 360 Games when rep and WCC included
13. World Club Champion

The guy has one of the best resume's ever in Rugby League. Was he one of the all time greats? No, but for those who say a dozen others could do what he did, the simple answer is "but they didn't".

No Worries wrote:

TLDR - How didn't the Tigers get a mention ?

No Worries wrote:

TLDR - How didn't the Tigers get a mention ?

Ice wrote:Darius has never lost a game for Australia 23-0! It's quite remarkable really, and he obviously has a great record with Qld at 19-9, so it's quite interesting that his finals record is only 12-12 and 50%. Makes you wonder just how important he was in those rep sides.

And when he was in a side without much depth, for a couple of years, his win loss percentage ispretty much the same as Hayne. His St George Grand final winning side had 15 rep players in it and he did his job really well, but compare that sideto the losing 2009 Eels sidethat knocked St Georgeout,i mean really, after losing 37-0 the week before the Eels had absolutely no right to even be in the game.

Dip wrote:

The Eels did have no right to be in that game. If every team that the cheating Storm played that year were awarded 2 points in the regular season, the Eels would have finished 9th.

And that was a fantastic team. The great Tim Mannah and his fast play the balls couldn't even make the starting side.

Also that's a weird analogy about importance to rep sides. Hayne won 91% of the time for Australia but under 44% in club land. He was an important part of those rep sides though. Everyone who starts for their country is. Interesting that you compare Boyd when he wasn't surrounded by stars as similar to Hayne though. I consider Hayne a much better player (for most of his career anyway).

Dip wrote:And finally (before I actually have to do some work), comparing highlights reels is an interesting way of measuring someone's ability. Isaac Luke and Shaun Berrigan probably have a better highlight reel than Cameron Smith. Andrew Fafita's would be be better than Shane Webke's or Glen Lazarus'. Nathan Merritt's would be better than Brett Morris and Dale Shearer's. Gavin Cooper's would be better than Nathan Hindmarsh's. Matt Bowen, Phil Blake and Ben Barba would have close to the best ever highlights package.

No Worries wrote:At least for the next 2 days

surmo13 wrote:EDIT: oh, and one more thing, if Siebs could at some point find a way to give me a look at 1.Milf 6.SOS 7.Dearden 9. Turpin at some point this season, that would be much appreciated.