State of Origin 2017 Series

Welshy wrote:.... has to be Arey if they want to change the halves direction

This is right and surprised it hasn't been discussed.
I'd prefer him in the team.

code delta wrote:

This is right and surprised it hasn't been discussed.
I'd prefer him in the team.

Reynolds form of late has been mediocre at best. Rumours floating around that he is playing busted also. NSW need to select the same team for game 3. They did the job in game 1 so they can do it again. I have no doubt they will learn from their mistakes in game 2. Load up on NSW now before they drop in price.

More stills of Holmes foot.

ryno_ wrote:

This one?

Not a still shot, the footage, you are a few frames late there, I want to see the reverse shot when he still has both hands on the ball.

Remember it's not the toes we are interested in but the heel, like Hayne, remember????

See my original post in this threa re the Holmes call. I agree it was the right call, and if the rule then was the on field ref made a call and conclusive evidence was required to overturn, Haynes would have been allowed. Even with the rules then "Benefit of doubt to attacking player" it should have been allowed as 15 reviews is clearly doubt.

My point is, people arguing the Hayne one from the front shows his heel touching but the Holmes one doesn't are absolute hypocrites. Clearly the front on of Holmes it appears he touches, it virtually identical to Haynes front on, but I've always argued the reverse clears Hayne and I'm sure it would clear Holmes, but the shot you've shown is too late.

The other thing to consider is Hayne was striding out and accelerating and we have already proven that it is highly likely his heel wouldn't touch the ground and the reverse angle clearly show grass, the front angle you can see his toes and along the inside of his foot to his arch and instep clearly inside the line so the only question mark is the heel ( again, reverse angle clearly shows it doesn't touch).

With Holmes, his momentum must be considered and in this instance it is his last contact with the ground before he dives, so in fact he is Descelarating. So, not dissimilar to a long jumper, his last step certainly, and likely his second last step, would see his foot have full contact. As per below by Jim Giroux, renowned jumps/athletics technician.

The penultimate (next to last) step is a full foot contact with a rocking action. This is the longest step of the entire approach. Foot contact will still be underneath the body like the previous steps. The recovery of the heel will be over the ankle or mid calf only. Attempting to run over this step while the foot is still on the ground is a great cue. The takeoff step will be similar to the penultimate in ground contact (full foot, rocking action

Sorry if all that is a little technical. I re state I believe they got the Holmes call correct, but on the balance of probabilities and with the science to support it, it is actually far more likely Holmes touched the line than Hayne.

But as my old man used to say "read it in the scorebook"

Actually looking at the footage now, far worse than the possibility he stepped on the line was how far forward Boyds pass was to Holmes. He basically lobbed it up out in front of himself for Holmes to take.

Anyway, that's another discussion. I maintain Qld won because their spine aimed up at the right time, and NSW incorrectly thought 16 was enough.

Ice wrote:

Not a still shot, the footage, you are a few frames late there, I want to see the reverse shot when he still has both hands on the ball.

Remember it's not the toes we are interested in but the heel, like Hayne, remember????

See my original post in this threa re the Holmes call. I agree it was the right call, and if the rule then was the on field ref made a call and conclusive evidence was required to overturn, Haynes would have been allowed. Even with the rules then "Benefit of doubt to attacking player" it should have been allowed as 15 reviews is clearly doubt.

My point is, people arguing the Hayne one from the front shows his heel touching but the Holmes one doesn't are absolute hypocrites. Clearly the front on of Holmes it appears he touches, it virtually identical to Haynes front on, but I've always argued the reverse clears Hayne and I'm sure it would clear Holmes, but the shot you've shown is too late.

Counterpoint - frame #4 in the previous post.

Welshy wrote:Only problem with Moylan replacing Pearce is the kick game

Pearce gets panned and people moan that all the general filed kicking is on him, whereas it gets shared by Smith, Thurston and Cronk for QLD

Moylan doesn't kick and Maloney does little, has to be Arey if they want to change the halves direction

The longer term NSW halves are Cleary and Moylan, but until Cleary is ready, Adam Reynolds and Moylan should be the halves. Pearce's kicking game just isn't good enough.

Maloney has a good kicking game and yep should prob be kicking it more. Also, wade graham and hayne did a bit of kicking so its not all on pearce.
Maloney, much like ennis, is a quality player but the niggle and penalties that he gives away just fucks the team over so much sometimes. After this series, especially if NSW lose - I would be parting ways with Maloney for Moylan and be giving serious consideration to blooding Cleary - and if he isn't ready, I would be picking Adam Reynolds as a stop gap for cleary. If the game plan is to put up a bomb from 40 out, at least get the best kickers in the game to do it.

Pearce is obviously comfortable being the primary kicker, yep prob needs more help, but fark me his kicks are so largely ineffective its infuriating.

Boyd out for 6 weeks

All these decent injuries are further evidence that SOO needs to be at the end of the season

Pieman wrote:get the best kickers in the game to do it.

Pieman wrote:Cleary and Moylan

Pick 1.

Wingers should have grass coloured boots to try and confuse the bunker and touchie, not fleuro colours.

Surely there is some type of electric current that can be run along the touch lines to solve this issue.

ryno_ wrote:



Counterpoint - frame #4 in the previous post.

For whatever reason i can't see frame four, seriously. All I can see is a bit of the camera man??

ryno_ wrote:



Pick 1.

Cleary is clearly one of the best kickers in the league.

Pieman wrote:

Cleary is clearly one of the best kickers in the league.

Top 5. But if your entire argument is;

Pieman wrote:get the best kickers in the game to do it.

Then you'd be sticking with Pearce & Maloney.

Ice wrote:

For whatever reason i can't see frame four, seriously. All I can see is a bit of the camera man??

Right click > open image in a new tab.

I dont know how to crop it to just that frame.

Thurston ruled out for the season. Makes what he did in that game even more courageous. Taking 5 minutes to slot a conversation so he could catch his breath

ryno_ wrote:

Top 5. But if your entire argument is;

Then you'd be sticking with Pearce & Maloney.

Cleary has a better kicking game than Pearce. That's pretty obvious to anyone. Cleary's floating bombs in particular are the best in the league. Moylan doesn't do much kicking, but either does Maloney in origin, which is odd considering he has a very good kicking game.

My point was, if the game plan is going to be - bomb it from the 40 - then pick the blokes who have the best kicking games to do it. So going off that it would be Adam Reynolds and Cleary, who both have better kicking games than Pearce and Maloney. That 100% shouldn't be the game plan or the b option either. But it is when Pearce plays, because of his limited kicking game and creativity.

Is that a realistic of even a good halves pairing for origin? No its not. The best halves pairing in the near future for NSW is Cleary and Moylan. Until Cleary is ready, it should be Maloney and Moylan or Adam Reynolds (when healthy, which is never) and Moylan.

Yeah huge that Thurston is out for the season. Even further evidence for making SOO after the GF.

Pieman wrote:Yeah huge that Thurston is out for the season. Even further evidence for making SOO after the GF.

The injury side of it is one thing, but having the pinnacle of our game partway through the season is scheduling idiocy.

Thursto out is massive for the fate of both the Maroons and Cows and if it was indeed his last ever Origin play, then what a way to go out.