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2020 Parramatta Eels Thread......Lets not get carried away.
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by Oz Sport Mad Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:05 am
On wingers and this Valentine Holmes situation, I know there is always a lot of talk (mostly by punters and the media) about 'winger money' not being as good as 'fullback money' but is this really the case anymore??
The market theoretically has to adapt to what each player is worth to a team and it's fair to say over the last few years the worth of a good winger has skyrocketed.
Coaches know that.....and thus the powers that be at each club would too.
The market theoretically has to adapt to what each player is worth to a team and it's fair to say over the last few years the worth of a good winger has skyrocketed.
Coaches know that.....and thus the powers that be at each club would too.
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by ryno_ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:21 am
Oz Sport Mad wrote:On wingers and this Valentine Holmes situation, I know there is always a lot of talk (mostly by punters and the media) about 'winger money' not being as good as 'fullback money' but is this really the case anymore??
The market theoretically has to adapt to what each player is worth to a team and it's fair to say over the last few years the worth of a good winger has skyrocketed.
Coaches know that.....and thus the powers that be at each club would too.
The value of a good winger his skyrocketed and a good prop has plummeted. Contracts will reflect that, the media just have to get over it when they write their bi-weekly article telling the public how much footballers are on when in actual fact the contracts are not public knowledge and they are just talking out their arse.
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by No Worries Fri Mar 23, 2018 1:33 pm
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The value of a good winger his skyrocketed and a good prop has plummeted. Contracts will reflect that, the media just have to get over it when they write their bi-weekly article telling the public how much footballers are on when in actual fact the contracts are not public knowledge and they are just talking out their arse.
Read a really good article a while back (will try and find it) about supply and demand in positions effecting the market but clubs overall caps. How a desperate club paying massive overs or a drought of talent in a position is temporarily seen as the norm and that's what players go for and get, then the market corrects itself. Prop was also the example they used. As for wingers they like all positions should see their fair share of the increased cap and the top wingers should see more. But when the media is also the coaching director or what ever "No No's" position is comes out and says Mansour isn't worth $400K it sets a benchmark.
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by ryno_ Fri Mar 23, 2018 3:49 pm
No Worries wrote:
Read a really good article a while back (will try and find it) about supply and demand in positions effecting the market but clubs overall caps. How a desperate club paying massive overs or a drought of talent in a position is temporarily seen as the norm and that's what players go for and get, then the market corrects itself. Prop was also the example they used. As for wingers they like all positions should see their fair share of the increased cap and the top wingers should see more. But when the media is also the coaching director or what ever "No No's" position is comes out and says Mansour isn't worth $400K it sets a benchmark.
Same thing happened in the NFL this offseason - Kirk Cousins coming off contract at the right time and got a contract on overs due to high demand and very low supply. Same thing happened last season with WRs. Market always corrects in the long term.
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by Ice Fri Mar 23, 2018 10:59 pm
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They have when they've played for Australia.
Morris has a better Aus record than Holmes. McManus hasn't played for Aus. Tupou played one game in a side that's got beaten 30 -12, can't judge a winger on that result, clearly the forwards got beaten up and the halves couldn't get things happening, Mansour has been solid enough whengiven a chance but coming off injury wasn't Australia's first choice winger, but can hardly say he hasn't done a job and couldn't have done a job.
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by ryno_ Fri Mar 23, 2018 11:54 pm
Ice wrote:
Morris has a better Aus record than Holmes.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_League_World_Cup_records#Most_Tries_in_a_Tournament
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by Ice Sat Mar 24, 2018 7:49 am
ryno_ wrote:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugby_League_World_Cup_records#Most_Tries_in_a_Tournament
Cool article bro!
Morris - 23 tries in 18 appearances, scoring in 14 appearances.
Holmes - 14 in 11 appearances, scoring in 5 appearnaces.
You do the maths?
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by ryno_ Mon Mar 26, 2018 9:59 am
Ice wrote:
Cool article bro!
Morris - 23 tries in 18 appearances, scoring in 14 appearances.
Holmes - 14 in 11 appearances, scoring in 5 appearnaces.
You do the maths?
Doesnt seem to be mentioned on the article i linked... only mention of "Morris" is next to the "9 tries", just under "Holmes" with 12.
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by No Worries Mon Mar 26, 2018 10:58 am
Let's get this thread back on track.
Off season buys don't seem to be working out as well for the Eels as it has for some other clubs
Off season buys don't seem to be working out as well for the Eels as it has for some other clubs
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by MrCashman Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:36 am
They miss the big Fijian winger that's for sure
Kane Evans will be a great asset for Wenty
Kane Evans will be a great asset for Wenty
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by Pieman Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:10 pm
MrCashman wrote:They miss the big Fijian winger that's for sure
Kane Evans will be a great asset for Wenty
100% they are missing him.
Ignoring his off the field issues, He was the best winger in the game and possibly could have been one of the best wingers of all time. His ability to score or spark a try from no where was amazing and his go forward was just unreal. Clearly IMO their sets are lacking in the beginning, purely because of missing semi.
Gutherson will spark them but I think everyone may have underestimated the impact semi had on parra.
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by Ice Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:23 pm
Semi was always gonna be a big loss, never any doubt about it. Evans has been a huge disappointment.
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by Pieman Tue Mar 27, 2018 7:20 am
The reason I say that is because everyone (including myself) had them in the top 4, as if losing semi wouldnt hurt them at all, when really he was just about their best player.
Either that or we over estimated the impact Hayne would have.
In saying that its still early days but going 0-3 means they have to his some form fucking fast.
Either that or we over estimated the impact Hayne would have.
In saying that its still early days but going 0-3 means they have to his some form fucking fast.
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by No Worries Tue Mar 27, 2018 8:37 am
Another day another round of Hayne bashing. If I didn't know better you would think the Sydney media have him down as Bennett's son.
Should he be expected to play out the game injured ? Should he be expected to train ? What defines being included in the leadership team these days ? Your ability on the field, your pay packet or your ability to lead ? Very rarely are they a package deal.
Should he be expected to play out the game injured ? Should he be expected to train ? What defines being included in the leadership team these days ? Your ability on the field, your pay packet or your ability to lead ? Very rarely are they a package deal.
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by leaguegod Tue Mar 27, 2018 9:19 am
yeah hayne getting any extra criticism to any other eels player is pretty unfair atm
they collectively deserve a bit of a bagging for how much they are under-peforming but the media singling out hayne is just trying to pick the easy target and tbh, i work with 2 eels fans and see another regularly, 2 of them are just as quick to say rubbish like "its all hayne, we never should have signed him etc" FMD
Eels forwards got back into the contest in the 2nd half last week, were never out of the game but moses and norman, who the media & fans loves last year couldn't create anything but thats hayne's fault
they collectively deserve a bit of a bagging for how much they are under-peforming but the media singling out hayne is just trying to pick the easy target and tbh, i work with 2 eels fans and see another regularly, 2 of them are just as quick to say rubbish like "its all hayne, we never should have signed him etc" FMD
Eels forwards got back into the contest in the 2nd half last week, were never out of the game but moses and norman, who the media & fans loves last year couldn't create anything but thats hayne's fault
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by Shanbon Tue Mar 27, 2018 5:45 pm
The backline and bench this week look pretty ordinary but hey they cant do worse when the other guys right????
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by Ice Tue Mar 27, 2018 10:15 pm
We are gonna get hammered by the Tigers!!!
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by Pieman Wed Mar 28, 2018 7:57 am
leaguegod wrote:yeah hayne getting any extra criticism to any other eels player is pretty unfair atm
they collectively deserve a bit of a bagging for how much they are under-peforming but the media singling out hayne is just trying to pick the easy target and tbh, i work with 2 eels fans and see another regularly, 2 of them are just as quick to say rubbish like "its all hayne, we never should have signed him etc" FMD
Eels forwards got back into the contest in the 2nd half last week, were never out of the game but moses and norman, who the media & fans loves last year couldn't create anything but thats hayne's fault
Yeah he is no more to blame than any of the other guys. The have pretty much all been dreadful.
I guess the criticism comes from 1. bagging hayne sells papers, cheap and easy headline in this case and 2. his fitness being down at the start of the season 3. he has carried shit teams before. He is as much to blame as any of the collective.
With the way both teams have attacked this year this could end up at a nil all draw. If the tigers defend the way they have in so far this year, there is no fucking way Parra will score a try
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by leaguegod Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:26 am
footy can still be a simple game at times, parra look worse on paper but they will be desperate and i think they'll get up in a scrappy game
would have said the same re canberra but they catch manly after getting flogged, handed cap penalties and being back at brookie, i think canberra is still win-less come round 5.
which is unfortunate, as that means the poor bulldogs get a desperate raiders team at home on a thursday night
would have said the same re canberra but they catch manly after getting flogged, handed cap penalties and being back at brookie, i think canberra is still win-less come round 5.
which is unfortunate, as that means the poor bulldogs get a desperate raiders team at home on a thursday night