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    NRL Fantasy 2024 Part 10 - Not enough Raiders

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    Post by mickspicks Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:01 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    For Levi I care less about the score and more about the 57+ minutes. At his price, even 0.6 PPM, he makes really good money with those minutes.

    32 with a try. Not sure about that. But will make money the next few weeks at least.
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    Post by Rabbit Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:04 pm

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    Nobody is rating him as ordinary. He was excellent. But "ball playing" for a lock is not "made for fantasy", just ask Victor Radley. You get nothing for being the guy before the guy who assists the try or line break.

    And some of us watch Super League and know that offloading and tackle breaking is just not in his game. He's a grafter. That's great for NRL but not amazing for fantasy, Whitehead was the best offloader in England before he came to Australia, he could flip it out like Taupau and actually dialled his ballplaying way back when he hit Australia. Bateman was always a really creative player. Smithies isn't. He has barely any offloads, line breaks or even tackle breaks in Super League, where both those things are far easier to come by. He *does* have a shit load of tackles. He'll need big minutes to do really well at fantasy and the "doubting" is whether the minutes are there when three of the NRL's best ten middles are already in that Raiders pack.

    If Hors comes back in R3 and Smithies gets 60+ minutes then I'll get him for sure at about $600k. At that point he might look like a "must have" but not yet. Nice start if you're an owner, but not a rush if you're not.

    He's still a kid. "Grafter". lol. Bateman was the ultimate grafter before Ricky wanted a ball playing lock.

    Anyway...you'll own him eventually. Yeah, I watch SL.
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    Post by mattnz Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:05 pm

    mickspicks wrote:

    32 with a try. Not sure about that. But will make money the next few weeks at least.

    Should update to close to 40 points.

    Consistently around 0.6-0.7 PPM across several seasons.

    2019 probably a good comparison - 38 points in 59 minutes. Priced at 21.

    In round 1, look at minutes and role, not score.


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    Post by Rabbits21 Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:08 pm

    wolfking wrote:If I had Ponga, I'd personally be stoked with a 40 given his lack of involvement and how bad they were.
    I am stoked mate given their pack played like a bunch of girls in skirts. Was powder puff stuff. If Levi didn’t milk that play Ponga would’ve scored more. I feel like 40 is his floor no need to over react it’s only round 1.

    I did consider Hosking bummed I didn’t take him.

    I thought Fog would’ve scored 70 but he got 57 with 4 goals a try assist and 800 kick metres he won’t get that every week.

    I don’t have Cotric he was on 19 after 25mins scored 5 the next 55mins.

    Levi not sure should chase him Starling was good when on Levi might go back to 50mins role, would’ve scored 18 or so without the try as well.


    Strange didn’t get much ball I notice might mean Kris doesn’t score too well outside him! Gosh I hope not I have Kris I need a 35 avg.
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    Post by Rabbits21 Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:10 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    Should update to close to 40 points.

    Consistently around 0.6-0.7 PPM across several seasons.

    2019 probably a good comparison - 38 points in 59 minutes. Priced at 21.

    In round 1, look at minutes and role, not score.
    His career ppm is 0.57 at hooker can we please get the facts right mate thank you.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:11 pm

    Rabbit wrote:

    He's still a kid. "Grafter". lol. Bateman was the ultimate grafter before Ricky wanted a ball playing lock.

    Anyway...you'll own him eventually. Yeah, I watch SL.

    You'll know Bateman was an old-school razzle-dazzle 13 all the way through Bradford and Wigan then.
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    Post by mattnz Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:14 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    His career ppm is 0.57 at hooker can we please get the facts right mate thank you.

    His lowest season since 2018 has been 0.59 PPM. Calculating expectations on 0.6 PPM is reasonable. Getting 0.45 PPM in 2016 in his rookie season doesn't really matter any more.

    FACTS!
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    Post by Rabbits21 Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:15 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    His lowest season since 2018 has been 0.59 PPM. Calculating expectations on 0.6 PPM is reasonable. Getting 0.45 PPM in 2016 in his rookie season doesn't really matter any more.

    FACTS!

    Look at hooker when starting ppm is 0.57 that’s the facts when starting so I think it’s wrong to say between 0.6-0.7.

    Personally I don’t think he plays 57mins each week Starling looked great off the bench Levi will play high 40’s to low 50’s mins some weeks that’s my opinion.


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    Post by robelgordo Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:17 pm

    wolfking wrote:If I had Ponga, I'd personally be stoked with a 40 given his lack of involvement and how bad they were.

    Yeah I mean that’s the kind of game where Ponga has previously scored 14, I’ll take 40. I didn’t get him for this week only
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    Post by Teeth Eater Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:17 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:

    Levi not sure should chase him Starling was good when on Levi might go back to 50mins role, would’ve scored 18 or so without the try as well.

    Starling has been Canberra's best hooker, by a long, long way, I should add, for a very long time - in my opinion.

    Doesn't seem to mean much to Ricky, though. I'd never have picked up Levi if I thought the better hooker was a chance of getting more minutes. Wink
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    Post by ytsb Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:18 pm

    372/10 is grim scenes indeed
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    Post by WT Winfield Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:19 pm

    robelgordo wrote:

    Yeah I mean that’s the kind of game where Ponga has previously scored 14, I’ll take 40. I didn’t get him for this week only

    Eyeing off that Rd 5 game too mate?
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    Post by wolfking Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:20 pm

    mattnz wrote:

    His lowest season since 2018 has been 0.59 PPM. Calculating expectations on 0.6 PPM is reasonable. Getting 0.45 PPM in 2016 in his rookie season doesn't really matter any more.

    FACTS!

    The only fact I care about right now is 32 with a try.  If I wanted a shitto winger score I would have picked one, not a starting hooker.

    We all know Levi is crap and we get what we pay for but that score with a try in that time is putrid no matter how much you choose to polish it.

    If he scored 25 with just all tackles in 50 minutes, I think I'd be more happy with starting with him.


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    Post by mattnz Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:20 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:

    Look at hooker when starting ppm is 0.57 that’s the facts when starting so I think it’s wrong to say between 0.6-0.7.

    Personally I don’t think he plays 57mins each week Starling looked great off the bench Levi will play high 40’s to low 50’s mins some weeks that’s my opinion.

    2023 0.73 as starting HOK
    2021 0.73 as starting HOK
    2020 0.59 as starting HOK
    2019 0.63 as starting HOK
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    Post by Milchcow Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:22 pm


    Doesn't matter what is a fact or not. You can ignore stats that are 4 years old involving players at a different club, under different fantasy scoring and different NRL rules interpretations (especially the peal Vlandysball era of 2020)

    Ignoring a 2 minute injury game, prior to tonight Levi has scored 80 points in 122 minutes as starting hooker for the injury game for a PPM of 0.65.
    3 games is a pretty small sample size, so I wouldn't say its a particularly useful stat, but its more useful than seeing what he did in 2018
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    Post by Milchcow Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:25 pm


    Phoenix Crossland, 57 tackles for 33 fantasy points has to be some sort of record, doesn't it?
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    Post by mattnz Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:25 pm

    wolfking wrote:

    The only fact I care about right now is 32 with a try.  If I wanted a shitto winger score I would have picked one, not a starting hooker.

    We all know Levi is crap and we get what we pay for but that score with a try in that time is putrid no matter how much you choose to polish it.

    If he scored 25 with just all tackles in 50 minutes, I think I'd be more happy with starting with him.

    Was penalised for what looked like a good strip, is missing a clear TO, that is 12 more points. Doesn't take much. He was involved and busy.

    His team had most of the possession, when they are on the losing end, he does more tackles, which is when he gets most of his points.

    His 22 tackles today was his lowest in his last 20 matches as a starting HOK.
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    Post by mickspicks Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:26 pm

    Didn't Levi hurt his hammy tonight anyway?
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    Post by rhinoceroo Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:27 pm

    mickspicks wrote:Didn't Levi hurt his hammy tonight anyway?

    Commentary said thigh cork.
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    Post by Chewie Thu Mar 07, 2024 11:30 pm

    GG, would have liked to seen a bit more from the Knights, but the Raiders have added some solid tacklers in their team.
    Smithies looked solid out there
    Hosking does what he does
    Strange looked ok in defence

    Well done to those who picked up Fogarty... nice kick meters!
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