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    NRL Fantasy 2023 Part 1 - Just open up already

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    Post by Camo123 Wed Jan 11, 2023 2:53 pm

    Moanaman wrote:Do we like Gagai at Fullback if Ponga is in the Halves?

    Career average at FB 38, priced 39.2 - for a little more would rather Bird if going expensive at CTR

    Ironically, even though he's moved around clubs, I think he previously played FB at Knights
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    Post by Camo123 Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:14 pm

    Rabbits21 wrote:
    He avg 55.7 first half of last year in 61mins before getting injured. I think he’s priced at 52.

    I'd say you'd expect Cotter roughly around that 60-65 mins mark

    Interestingly he did play 83(!!) mins in FW1 of 93 min extra-time game (and didn't even look tired) & 70 mins in FW3, however that was with a utility (HTF) on the bench, unsure whether Granville is still considered as low-min utility and will play

    If he maintains pre-injury average, should be good enough for top 3-4 MIDs behind Murray & Yeo

    Structurally speaking, keepers are an interesting point this year, if there spare trades near back end of year, you would think keepers from Broncos/Souths/Cowboys/Eels/Dogs who have 3 late byes who are appealing in R1 due to late byes would be candidates to trade out late to get up to 3 extra games in the backend of the season - unsure if this has been discussed before
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    Post by lukeayee Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:30 pm

    TheWeapon wrote:Being the bye planning pest that I am, I decided to have a quick look and write it down in a way that made the most sense to me:

    - Big bye rounds still exist rd 13, 16, and 19 (so origin players as well as the bye teams will miss those rounds).

    Team bye rounds below:

    Dragons: 1, 16 (pre origin), 20
    Manly: 2, 14, 19 (pre-origin)
    Panthers: 3, 13 (pre origin), 19 (pre origin)
    Roosters: 4, 13 (pre origin), 19 (pre origin)
    Titans: 5, 13 (pre origin), 16 (pre origin)
    Sharks: 6, 13 (pre origin), 17
    Tigers: 7, 13 (pre origin), 17
    Raiders: 8, 16 (pre origin), 20
    Storm: 9, 13 (pre origin), 19 (pre origin)
    Knights: 10, 14, 19 (pre origin)
    Dolphins: 11, 16 (pre origin), 21
    Warriors: 12, 16 (pre origin), 22
    Dogs: 13 (pre origin), 17, 23
    Eels: 14, 18, 27
    Cowboys: 15, 19 (pre origin), 24
    Broncos: 16 (pre origin), 19 (pre origin), 25
    Rabbits: 16 (pre origin), 20, 26

    My takeaways:

    Non-origin Eels players play all the origin bye rounds
    Origin players from Storm, Broncos, Titans, Roosters, Panthers will only miss 1 more round due to origin relative to their non-origin players (assuming they don't get rested)
    Titans are the first team to finish their byes (rd 16) and will be good purchases for the run home
    Eels, Cowboys, Broncos and Rabbits players don't have any byes until the second half of the season, so should be good players to start with.

    Oh jesus, I didn't even know about this new bye schedule.

    Guess I can't ignore it this year like I have the last 5.

    Or can I?

    Thanks for the guide.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:12 pm

    Milchcow wrote:
    I'm considering Hynes over Cleary

    No origin, better byes, and has a very good scoring base. Only a touch more expensive.

    Partly depends on how well the Panthers are going to do this year. Do they have another year of dominance in them? Want to get in on those prime Cleary junk time points

    I don't know, it might be that last year was a "down" year for Cleary, certainly compared to a 73 average in 2020 and *91* in 2021. While the PVL-ball scores are likely not repeatable, he does have a higher proven ceiling than Hynes and also, with no Kikau, Penrith's attack might be a little more right-focused this year.

    There are arguments for Hynes but for me, Cleary is too scary to miss out on because of a marginally earlier bye. Probably a sell (to Hynes) over Origin though.
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    Post by Rabbits21 Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:59 pm

    rhinoceroo wrote:

    I don't know, it might be that last year was a "down" year for Cleary, certainly compared to a 73 average in 2020 and *91* in 2021. While the PVL-ball scores are likely not repeatable, he does have a higher proven ceiling than Hynes and also, with no Kikau, Penrith's attack might be a little more right-focused this year.

    There are arguments for Hynes but for me, Cleary is too scary to miss out on because of a marginally earlier bye. Probably a sell (to Hynes) over Origin though.
    Agree mate and let’s be honest Cleary will be hungry to win the Dally M too as that’s just about the only thing he hasn’t won. Even losing Api and Kikau as well I still Penrith will be a top 3 team this year and will be very dangerous. Cleary is 27k cheaper too and I can use the vital 27k elsewhere. Like you I’ll look to trade Cleary out to most likely Hynes over that origin period or another gun half who doesn’t play origin.
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    Post by Cantbeatwinners Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:17 pm

    Will Penrith be as dominant as a team without Kikau and Api, 2 big holes to fill. Will clearys fantasy points therefore be affected? Unsure who replaces those 2 players yet, but kikau on the edge was a big go to
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    Post by Welshy Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:29 pm

    Cantbeatwinners wrote:Will Penrith be as dominant as a team without Kikau and Api, 2 big holes to fill. Will clearys fantasy points therefore be affected? Unsure who replaces those 2 players yet, but kikau on the edge was a big go to

    As some have already pointed to, without Kikau whose LB/TA points usually went to Luai anyway, Cleary might even have some extra ball on the right. I'd imagine anything potentially less dominant form Penrith in terms of team scoring he will level out in terms of additonal self involvement.
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    Post by Cantbeatwinners Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:36 pm

    Welshy wrote:

    As some have already pointed to, without Kikau whose LB/TA points usually went to Luai anyway, Cleary might even have some extra ball on the right. I'd imagine anything potentially less dominant form Penrith in terms of team scoring he will level out in term of additonal self involvement.


    Yeah, so Luais points could be down, which were scratchy from week to week anyway, cheers Welshy for that 👍
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    Post by Welshy Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:45 pm

    Cantbeatwinners wrote:

    Yeah, so Luais points could be down, which were scratchy from week to week anyway, cheers Welshy for that 👍

    Potentially mate, end of the day we can only summise haha!

    In terms of risk, Hynes may be safer as he's in pretty much the same lineup as last year so only needs to replicate previous whilst Cleary has to overcome some pretty big team shakeup

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    Post by The Dolphin Conspiracies Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:46 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    I suspect that people will have to play with less than 17 at various (non-origin) times this year. All it takes is an injury and a bye to coincide at the wrong time, even if you theoretically have cover.

    Hooker is still a pretty key position though, so I think you'd want cover for it, even if you ignore byes.
    Losing BSmith and playing with 16 will likely be a lot worse for your score than losing Averillo

    But if you pick three HOKs you are going to be short in another position... even if one of them is BSmith .

    DPPs will be extra important this year - almost worth paying an extra 20 or 30k for all other things being equal
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    Post by manlybeaver Thu Jan 12, 2023 1:39 am

    Okay my first draft need alot of tinkering. Is Kenny going to be the 9 for panthers this year ?

    Hodgson
    Collins cheese Gilbert
    Garner hopgood
    Hasting doueihi
    Talau te whare
    Teddy turbo To'o

    Elliot horse foran Kenny
    4x nuffie

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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:30 am

    Rabbits21 wrote:Thing with Cotter is though look at the Cows easy draw first 10-12 rounds. He could be doing less tackling and might get some early showers when they’re well ahead?

    Not even 12 months ago the Cows were being tipped as a bottom 4 team. The draw does not mean anything
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    Post by Holy Moly Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:12 am

    I've read that Woolford is likely to be the raiders starting hooker. Does anyone expect him to get more minutes than last year?
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    Post by mattnz Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:47 am

    Holy Moly wrote:I've read that Woolford is likely to be the raiders starting hooker. Does anyone expect him to get more minutes than last year?

    Not with Starling on the bench.

    Weird that they also just signed Levi. 3 NRL standard hookers in a squad seems to be a lot.
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    Post by Milchcow Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:48 am


    Raiders just signed Danny Levi too, although I imagine that is just as depth signing
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    Post by Holy Moly Thu Jan 12, 2023 6:58 am

    Thanks fellas.

    Byes every round makes for a whole new strategy. Cook seems to be the best captain option for me. No byes until round 16. A decent chance of not playing origin, although he could take Koroisau's spot if he doesn't perform as well at the tigers. And Cook's scoring can keep pace with Cleary and Hynes.

    I've been trying to field 13 players who won't play origin and will play the first bye. Injuries etc can throw a spanner in the works, but fielding 17 every week could be more valuable than having Hynes or Cleary as captain.
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    Post by L-Jimmy Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:26 am

    mattnz wrote:

    Not with Starling on the bench.

    Weird that they also just signed Levi. 3 NRL standard hookers in a squad seems to be a lot.

    Calling Levi an NRL standard hooker is quite a lot too.
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    Post by my tv broke Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:37 am

    L-Jimmy wrote:

    Calling Levi an NRL standard hooker is quite a lot too.

    hahah this.
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    Post by my tv broke Thu Jan 12, 2023 7:41 am

    https://www.nrl.com/news/2023/01/12/no-new-rules-for-2023-season/

    This first one is sure to go down well lol

    Grounding the Ball
    Tries will now be awarded if the ball rotates from the hand to the wrist or forearm provided there is no obvious separation between the ball and the hand or arm. The new interpretation will allow further clarity for officials when adjudicating grounding."


    Operation of the 18th player rule
    The number of failed head injury assessments will be reduced from three (3) to two (2) to trigger the activation of the 18th player.

    Intervention of Bunker in Foul Play
    The Bunker may only intervene for acts of foul play which it deems to be reportable.

    Few other minor things in the link.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:01 am

    my tv broke wrote:https://www.nrl.com/news/2023/01/12/no-new-rules-for-2023-season/

    This first one is sure to go down well lol

    Grounding the Ball
    Tries will now be awarded if the ball rotates from the hand to the wrist or forearm provided there is no obvious separation between the ball and the hand or arm. The new interpretation will allow further clarity for officials when adjudicating grounding."


    Operation of the 18th player rule
    The number of failed head injury assessments will be reduced from three (3) to two (2) to trigger the activation of the 18th player.

    Intervention of Bunker in Foul Play
    The Bunker may only intervene for acts of foul play which it deems to be reportable.

    Few other minor things in the link.

    With the "minor things" it sounds like they want to speed up the play the ball a little and keep a stricter ten metres, which might open the game up a bit for the two weeks that anyone is paying attention to it.

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