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    NRL Fantasy 2022 Part 3 - Max or Josh?

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    Post by Welshy Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:08 pm

    my tv broke wrote:

    This. My gut feel is that ilias will do most of the general field kicking. Doesnt mean his scores will be great, but i just dont think cody is suddenlt going to be a controlling half. We will see how tonight plays out i guess

    I mean Cody could follow Keary and put a load more KM into his base and push him fully elite but difference in the 2 was Keary has always handled a fair kick load, Walker hasn’t
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    Post by rhinoceroo Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:11 pm

    mattnz wrote:
    Last season with Reynolds playing Walker averaged 115 km, in the last 4 games next to Reynolds he averaged 238 km. I am expecting him to be up around the 250-300 range this season next to the junior half instead of Reynolds.

    Reynolds could barely move during that last month of the season, they were managing him through.

    Cody does have a good kicking game though. We'll get a clue as to how they're going to use it in the Charity Shield but my guess is they won't want to give him *all* the responsibility as if Ilias isn't there.
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:14 pm

    Welshy wrote:

    I mean Cody could follow Keary and put a load more KM into his base and push him fully elite but difference in the 2 was Keary has always handled a fair kick load, Walker hasn’t

    2020 Keary average 168 km, then jumped to 339.
    Walker averaged 115, not a significant difference.
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    Post by rhinoceroo Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:21 pm

    So. We're all agreed then. (All but one)
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:23 pm

    If teams think a rookie is always going to be the kicking option, he will be continually rushed at and under pressure. Cook is smart enough to remove the pressure on him, by either kicking himself, or sending the ball to Walker. I can't see Ilias picking up all of Reynolds 303 km average from last year. If he gets 200 of it, that is 6 points per game.


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    Post by Rabbits21 Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:23 pm

    wolfking wrote:Cody won't be dramatically expected to change his game up and add general play kicking, that's counter productive.  They are bringing someone in to compliment Cody and he'll definitely do most of the general kicking in play.  The kid needs to find his place and shifting all the responsibility on Cody would just be silly and detrimental to both of them.  Cody still needs to focus on his strengths as a ball player, making him kick most of the time won't help his natural game and will only hurt it.
    I think this will prove to be correct.
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:26 pm

    rhinoceroo wrote:So. We're all agreed then. (All but one)

    Its all a comparison.

    You can pay slightly more, 50-70k for Amone or Clune to get likely 10 points better scoring, or similar cost for Paix for better scoring (and dual HOK), or less cost for Walters for better scoring. Ilias is not close to a must have when there are other better options in his price bracket.

    I am expecting him to be the guy that all the commentators say is doing really well on the field, giving Walker time and space, but scoring crap in fantasy as it doesnt score points.


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    Post by my tv broke Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:34 pm

    Comparing Keary with Walker seems a bit silly
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    Post by rhinoceroo Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:34 pm

    Unclear by exactly how much but *all* kicking metres are going to reduce this year with the reintroduction of penalties at own end. Might not be by much, but will be something.
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    Post by filthridden Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:44 pm

    Warriors vs Titans trial postponed til Monday due to weather.
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    Post by mattnz Fri Feb 25, 2022 11:59 pm

    I'm watching Broncos Dragons womens game, they play dirtier than the men.
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    Post by Rabbits21 Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:01 am

    Well it’s game day for my Rabbitohs once again and it’s my first preview of the year and they’ll be spoilers so those that wanna have a look can and those that don’t want to can skip it! I’m pumped!

    Spoiler:
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    Post by Aardvark Ratnick Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:08 am

    wolfking wrote:Cody won't be dramatically expected to change his game up and add general play kicking, that's counter productive.  They are bringing someone in to compliment Cody and he'll definitely do most of the general kicking in play.  The kid needs to find his place and shifting all the responsibility on Cody would just be silly and detrimental to both of them.  Cody still needs to focus on his strengths as a ball player, making him kick most of the time won't help his natural game and will only hurt it.

    Wont be surprised if Cookie does a few general play kicks either.
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    Post by Moanaman Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:14 am

    filthridden wrote:Warriors vs Titans trial postponed til Monday due to weather.


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    Post by my tv broke Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:17 am

    Six can saturday is back !!
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    Post by rhinoceroo Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:21 am

    my tv broke wrote:Six can saturday is back !!

    Six can Saturday *trials*
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    Post by Chewie Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:42 am

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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:44 am

    As good a time as any to break out MS's preseason planning guide

    Have used a spoiler tag because it's very wordy. Contains references to 2021 players options

    Spoiler:

    With that in mind I'm going to run the ruler over my current draft with what role I expect and what impact this will have on fantasy scores. Note that will probably throw most of this out

    Hooker: Randall - Long term injury to Brailey with his only real competition for the role being a reshuffle that sees Mann at 9. With the loss of Watson I think O'Brien will do whatever it takes to keep Mann at 13. Average of 44 in 66 minutes when starting priced at 28. Every serious team should have Randall

    Mid: Structure for this year is 1 gun, 1 up and comer and 1 cheapie. Gun spot will be filled by 1 of Haas/Crichton/Ipap. Up and comer looks like Utoikamanu with cheapie currently Bullemor.

    Haas - Over priced based on 2021 and under priced based on 2020. In a better Broncos team there will probably be less asked of him but more room for attacking stats and damaging runs close to the line. Scored 2 tries combined in the last 2 years with 4 in his break out 2019 season. I think he will probably score around where he is priced but decent option as a keeper in a tough position.
    Ipap - Should be a locked in starter option this year where he averaged 65 making him a little under priced. Playing for a team that should be at the right end of the ladder and won't play origin.
    Crichton - Proven over many years to be a 60 odd guy when starting in second row with potential to go 100+ on his day. Gets through a lot of work defensively and can pretty much lock him in for 120 metres per game. Average jumps a couple of points when Keary is fit
    Utoikamanu - Had a great back end to the year averaging 55 as a starter from round 18 onwards. Damaging ball runner and has the footwork+speed to score tries from nothing. Expecting he takes the step up to be on the fringes of origin selection
    Bullemor - This is more of an eye test pick. Should be the starting edge spot for Manly and make some cash. Even in 60 minutes per game he should be good for 35+

    Edge: This spot will be 2 of Wade Graham, Fermor, Katoa or Martin as I look for value
    Graham - Priced at 37 he has a long term second row average of 45. One bad tackle away from retirement but has the most secure spot.
    Fermor - Another eye test guy that should take the leap to fringe rep player. Averages 40 in the second row priced at 36. Health competiton for his spot with Fifita and Proctor
    Katoa - Priced at 34 with a second row average of 43. Should have the starting spot until Tohu returns. If I take him I'm hoping that is closer to round 10 than round 5
    Martin – Plays in the best team of the lot but probably need an uptick in attacking stats. Averages 43 as a second rower priced at 40 is probably my least favourite option
    Halves:
    Cleary – Might be a bit over priced but I’m locking in the highest scorer in fantasy and captaining him. Don’t get cute here
    Burton – Averages 60+ as a starting half priced at 48. Only had 125 kick metres per game last year so isn’t as hurt by the nerf. Centre DPP seals the deal as I think he is priced at his floor.
    Centre: Plenty of options here but I’ll be backing talent in good teams
    Tago – Another eye test guy. Deceptively strong through the hips makes him hard to tackle. Good right foot step to get on the outside of his man. Tends to carry the ball in his right arm and palm with the left which isn't ideal for a left centre since it means primarily palming across his body. Got enough pace to finish a try if he gets into space and soft enough with his hands to set up a support player. Not an athletic freak like a Stephen Crichton.
    Pensini – Great talent in a strong attacking side. Good defender and gets involved coming out of trouble
    Wing/fullback: Tried and tested strategy of going under priced gun and 2x cheapies with job security
    Papy – Stats speak for themselves. Priced at 51 with a career fullback average of 57 and 2021 average of 70. One of the best value picks in the game
    Crichton – Priced at 28 with a career centre average of 37. Had a down try scoring year last season but still managed to average 37 at centre
    Paulo – Has never played centre in the top grade so hard to project his points. Priced at 26 playing in the centres for Souths should see an increase in tackles with attacking upside

    Bench: Here I’m going for value with upside. Most of these guys shouldn’t lose cash with decent chance of making some cash
    Sexton – One of the few to get a price discount for <10 games. Priced at 48 with an average of 60. Only kicked for 230 metres per game last year so shouldn’t be too hurt by the nerf. Playing next to Brimson I expect 330 kick metres to be his floor. Playing in a bottom 4 spine this could easily go horribly wrong and be a bottom 4 team.
    Clune – While I’m not as high on him as some he is priced at 30 with a 35 career average at halfback in some very bad teams. Clifford probably takes most of the kicking but Clune has never really been dominant in that role
    Nanai – A little concerned in his job security in a bottom 4 team. Priced at 28 but averages 33.5 as a starter in the second row with 13 missed tackles in 2 games which I expect to decrease. If he holds his spot should make money.
    Amone – Priced below his lowest career score in his halves should make some money. Only risk to job security is not a concern with Sullivan injured as things would have to go horribly wrong for Mbye to end up in the halves

    Emergency:

    Illias – Starting as 18th man due to being a little worried about his upside. Still think he makes money but might not be a 200k+ cow

    Coates – Outside back in a good team will catch lightning at some point. Doesn’t quite have the upside of 2021 Reimis Smith with a low floor. Think he scores closer to Saab than Addo-Carr

    Jennings – Looks to be starting winger for a top 2 attacking team in the comp available at base price. Same as Coates for 90k less

    4th spot – Currently Croker but rotated through 100 players in this spot. Will be looking for upside and job security from this spot
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    Post by Chewie Sat Feb 26, 2022 12:46 am

    Lots of speculation on the cheap halves.
    Amone & Ilias are auditioning for my team tonight, let's see how they go

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