NRL Fantasy 2021 part 6 - Return of the Party

my tv broke wrote:

that's how coach's pick sides aint it?

nah i think he'll struggle. I had high hopes for him, but reality is sinking in (about our team in general), we're going to struggle. That edge of milford niu and coates is going to get terrorised and they'll need to put someone else there (no idea who, that's probably in Niu's favour) to try and stop the flow of points. I'm already having nightmares about dylan brown coming down that edge and Sivo scoring 6 tries in round 1.

I picked sivo in my draft side purely for round 1. Will prob bugger him off after that.

robelgordo wrote:

Could happen tbf. Also could just play 50-60 and be priced fairly. I'm very on the fence, could go either way on TLT. Probably depends on how everyone else fits for me i.e. he'll be on of the last decisions, not one of the first.

Yeah, even if I get the hoped role, I'm not expecting him to be my best POD pick either. If I am searching for cash, he may still be one that falls out of my team, depending on TLT as well.

B/L wrote:

I picked sivo in my draft side purely for round 1. Will prob bugger him off after that.

lol i did the same in L2

mattnz wrote:
If you go Twal, you are counting on him being a cut priced season keeper, priced against the full priced keepers that are $100k+ more to start the season. You are saving cash if that works out, by having him instead. You can go value at HLF as well with guys like Lam and Fogarty, targeting them scoring as much as a guy like Moses for $100k-300k less. Hooker is another position where there is tonnes of value, no reason to go to a full priced gun to start the season (other than Cleary as Captain).

It is very unlikely anyone will choose cut price keepers in every position. If for example I spend a trade on upgrading someone like Lodge to a keeper and you spend a trade upgrading someone like Brailey(purely example I know you don't have him) to a keeper we are the same net position. I also doubt the ability of most players to take the jump to the next level. There is a very small number of them each year and most are very hard to find ahead of time

mattnz wrote:
Sounded like a really racist term, then realised I was thinking of Sambo. Still in this day and age, surprised they have named it something so close to an offensive name. Its like calling something fucky.

We’ve got a big pet store near us called “Pet-O’s”. Say that one quickly.

mrbrownstone wrote:

Just had a look and his QLD Cup average of 29.7 isn't exactly inspiring, although would just about do the job priced at 20. Puts me off any thought of playing him in the 17. though.

Same boat for the Bludgers.
Keeping him in pos. 21 for the expected DPP and cover for if/when Bird & Roberts hit the (inevitable) wall.

Just chucking ideas around for my 2nd Half, partnering (C)Leary.
Brooks - could be a 50+ player, if he ever meets the pre-season hype and really does make the team his own??
Lam - cheapish, with coin to make, but job security is a question mark and he'll play second-fiddle to Keary.
CHT - played 5/8, interchange and then cemented himself as Warriors Half for the last 7 rounds of 2020. Priced at 34, averaged 43 for that sample.
Thinking CHT may be the way to go.
As a bonus, I just love watching the kid play. All heart and guts.

Just thinking out loud, could Fusitua be a better DPP CTR/WFB cover than Niu? Basically the same price and you'd think Fus has much better job security.

Priced at 20, he averaged around 30 from 2016-18 in 50+ minutes on the wing - would just need to rediscover some try scoring form, which isn't out of the question in a better team with a better forward pack.

It's not an inspiring pick by any means, but might save a trade if Niu is a flop.

easytiger wrote:Interesting to see the Cowboys have updated their trial squad to use 21.  Reuben Cotter as a small Lock to start (Lolo into the front row).

Not sure there's much in it other than trying options (it sounded like Gilbert might've been used as a bit of a small lock prior to his injury)

Is this how they plan to reduce his minutes? By playing him as. FRF?

The Bludger wrote:Just chucking ideas around for my 2nd Half, partnering (C)Leary.
Brooks - could be a 50+ player, if he ever meets the pre-season hype and really does make the team his own??
Lam - cheapish, with coin to make, but job security is a question mark and he'll play second-fiddle to Keary.
CHT - played 5/8, interchange and then cemented himself as Warriors Half for the last 7 rounds of 2020. Priced at 34, averaged 43 for that sample.
Thinking CHT may be the way to go.
As a bonus, I just love watching the kid play. All heart and guts.

I think Hutchison being named ahead of Walker for this week's trial is a really good sign for Lam's job security. Walker isn't close to him on the pecking order.

mrbrownstone wrote:

Just had a look and his QLD Cup average of 29.7 isn't exactly inspiring, although would just about do the job priced at 20. Puts me off any thought of playing him in the 17. though.

As uninspiring as that is, it should be noted I think he was only 17/18 playing q cup, and he’s still very young so personally I’m not counting him out just yet

mrbrownstone wrote:

Priced at 20, he averaged around 30 from 2016-18

SJ cut out balls made all the difference, hasnt been the same since SJ left.

mrbrownstone wrote:Just thinking out loud, could Fusitua be a better DPP CTR/WFB cover than Niu? Basically the same price and you'd think Fus has much better job security.

Priced at 20, he averaged around 30 from 2016-18 in 50+ minutes on the wing - would just need to rediscover some try scoring form, which isn't out of the question in a better team with a better forward pack.

It's not an inspiring pick by any means, but might save a trade if Niu is a flop.

He averaged below 30 in 2018 scoring 22 tries (1 try a game)

 Not sure I can do that to myself

mattnz wrote:
SJ cut out balls made all the difference, hasnt been the same since SJ left.

Warriors used to predominantly attack down the right and made a swtich to the left from 2019 onwards.

2018 - Fus 20+ tries on the right wing
2019 - Maumalo +-20 tries on the left wing and winger of the year.

Looking at Maumalo, should he not be due more of a discount seeing as he only played 8 games last year?

Camo123 wrote:
He averaged below 30 in 2018 scoring 22 tries (1 try a game)

 Not sure I can do that to myself

Had him in my team near the end of 2019 as a slightly above base price cash out, warm body, who could cover at a pinch. Kent then goes and gets injured, and when I did have to play him scored fuck all. Hard pass.

filthridden wrote:

Warriors used to predominantly attack down the right and made a swtich to the left from 2019 onwards.

2018 - Fus 20+ tries on the right wing
2019 - Maumalo +-20 tries on the left wing and winger of the year.

Maumalo outside Aitken now, no way he scores more than 6 tries in 2021

filthridden wrote:Looking at Maumalo, should he not be due more of a discount seeing as he only played 8 games last year?

He’s got correct discount 

36.8*0.94*13400 =464k (3% discount for each game below 10)

The Pascoe Fiasco wrote:
Is this how they plan to reduce his minutes? By playing him as. FRF?

I doubt it.
As Milchy mentioned, with McGuire, McClean and Gilbert all out for the trials, I'm guessing they just want to have a look at it as a match option.
In reality they could've easily played Burr at prop (Payten did for most of the backend of 2020 @ the Warriors) - so he already knows what he'll get there.
Could've played Hola there as well, but assume they want to keep him accustomed to play edge (as that seems to be where he's trained all preseason).

Essentially they've got 6 capable middles that look like they can expect reasonable (or more) match time this year: Lolo, Molo, McGuire, McClean, Burr and Gilbert as well as a few edge forwards that can push into the middle if need be. I assume Payten feels he doesn't need to run Lolo for as big minutes - seems a little similar to the Haas situation: quality over quantity?

mintotheimmortal wrote:

As uninspiring as that is, it should be noted I think he was only 17/18 playing q cup, and he’s still very young so personally I’m not counting him out just yet

Also the team he was playing for was worse than the 2020 broncos, wasn't easy to shine.