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    NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 86 - Fantasy is a 15 man game

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    Post by Chewie Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:35 pm

    Milchcow wrote:
    I don't think the NRL should make decisions because of fantasy players. but if so many players get rested this week that people don't watch the games, then they'd have to think about putting in the pre-finals bye week.
    With the season about to get serious,. who wants to watch a bunch of rookies and reserve graders run around trying not to get injured.

    This year is a bit unusual in that so many positions are decided already, including 1st, 2nd and the top 8.

    Raiders with the chance to break into the top 4 at the expense of the Eels are about the only teams with anything significant to play for.

    And the Broncos play to avoid the spoon
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    Post by Milchcow Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:38 pm

    Chewie wrote:

    And the Broncos play to avoid the spoon

    The most significant QLD derby in year
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    Post by Empyreal Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:46 pm

    robelgordo wrote:Some of these players being rested (or speculatively about to be rested) haven't actually played more than in a normal season - suggests squad rotation will be the norm for teams with guaranteed berths in future seasons.

    A bye before the finals start would help.

    Another option to prevent this would be to go back to the old McIntyre finals series format - where 1v8, 2v7, 3v6, 4v5 - so there is more incentive to finish higher than 4th. It's a more mathematically sound system anyway. Even if it's "complexity" upset people.

    It wasn't the 'complexity' that upset people it was the fact that 3rd could be eliminated round 1 in an 8 team finals was a stupid system.
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    Post by Jele Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:46 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    A late St Filthingham's day this year?


    (for the uninitiated, St Totteringham's Day is the day in which it becomes mathematically impossible for Tottenham to overtake Arsenal in the league. Sadly/happily St Totteringham's day doesn't get celebrated every year any more)

    happily cheer
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:50 pm

    Empyreal wrote:

    It wasn't the 'complexity' that upset people it was the fact that 3rd could be eliminated round 1 in an 8 team finals was a stupid system.

    How is 3rd being eliminated when there’s 8 teams left worse than 1st being eliminated when there’s 6 teams, which can happen now?

    By their very nature, finals are stupid. NRL are effectively playing a 20 week qualifying/seeding event for a 4 week championship.


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    Post by robelgordo Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:52 pm

    Milchcow wrote:
    I don't think the NRL should make decisions because of fantasy players. but if so many players get rested this week that people don't watch the games, then they'd have to think about putting in the pre-finals bye week.
    With the season about to get serious,. who wants to watch a bunch of rookies and reserve graders run around trying not to get injured.

    Definitely was suggesting mass restings were a problem for the second reason, not the fantasy reason.

    In a normal season, NRL already loses viewers during Origin when teams are missing stars, a second wave for player management before finals would not be ideal for them.
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    Post by Empyreal Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:59 pm

    robelgordo wrote:

    How is 3rd being eliminated when there’s 8 teams left worse than 1st being eliminated when there’s 6 teams, which can happen now?

    By their very nature, finals are stupid. NRL are effectively playing a 20 week qualifying/seeding event for a 4 week championship.

    Because 1st has to lose twice in a row to get eliminated now, 3rd only had to lose once to get eliminated (with some bad luck); and I agree there's to many teams in finals and the draw naturally creates an imbalance based on who you end up playing twice.
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    Post by filthridden Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:03 pm

    multiple.scoregasms wrote:12 points behind Filth overall. Think this is the latest in a season he has ever been in front of me Wink

    I honestly don't like my chances Laughing
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    Post by Camo123 Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:05 pm

    RTS obviously out with hamstring but other fantasy relevant players as per usual for Warriors.
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    Post by ShadowSabre Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:06 pm

    Camo123 wrote:RTS obviously out with hamstring but other fantasy relevant players as per usual for Warriors.

    Where do the Warriors team lists get posted?
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    Post by Camo123 Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:11 pm

    ShadowSabre wrote:

    Where do the Warriors team lists get posted?

    NRL app, draw, Warriors game

    Can see 21 but can't see reasoning for changes
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:12 pm

    filthridden wrote:

    I honestly don't like my chances Laughing

    May the best 12 players win
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    Post by Aardvark Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:14 pm

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    Post by No Worries Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:16 pm

    StormTrooper96 wrote:

    NRL Fantasy 2020 Part 86 - Fantasy is a 15 man game - Page 33 Giphy

    Ice was a Sportal poster who had constructed the most convoluted finals system ever and stood by it vehemently. It was like a cross between a Hatrick Rabbit joke and Bulldog (cant remember he's real handle) trying to explain how byes work combined together.

    Ahhhhhh those were the days.
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:20 pm

    Speaking of Spurs, they just dodged a bullet:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/21/leyton-orient-covid-19-carabao-cup-tottenham-spurs

    Absolutely mindblowing coming from the Aus experience with COVID and sports.
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    Post by robelgordo Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:27 pm

    No Worries wrote:

    Ice was a Sportal poster who had constructed the most convoluted finals system ever and stood by it vehemently. It was like a cross between a Hatrick Rabbit joke and Bulldog (cant remember he's real handle) trying to explain how byes work combined together.

    Ahhhhhh those were the days.

    His ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to his newsletter
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    Post by filthridden Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:33 pm

    No Worries wrote:

    Ice was a Sportal poster who had constructed the most convoluted finals system ever and stood by it vehemently. It was like a cross between a Hatrick Rabbit joke and Bulldog (cant remember he's real handle) trying to explain how byes work combined together.

    Ahhhhhh those were the days.

    hahahahaha I remember this now. Fuck me he put a fair bit of effort into explaining and trying to convince people too.

    our bulldog friend was topdog, yeah? Gold Coast real estate agent with the initials JB?
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    Post by Milchcow Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:33 pm

    robelgordo wrote:

    How is 3rd being eliminated when there’s 8 teams left worse than 1st being eliminated when there’s 6 teams, which can happen now?

    By their very nature, finals are stupid. NRL are effectively playing a 20 week qualifying/seeding event for a 4 week championship.

    McIntyre was shit because if 8 beat 1, then the winner of some other game had to play team 1 the next week (possibly at a neutral venue or 1s home ground) whilst the team that beat them got 'punished' with a game against team 8.

    In general, the winner of 4v5 had a harder week 2 match-up than the loser. And if it was all Sydney teams involved, then there wasn't even home ground advantage to make up for that.
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    Post by filthridden Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:35 pm

    robelgordo wrote:Speaking of Spurs, they just dodged a bullet:
    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/sep/21/leyton-orient-covid-19-carabao-cup-tottenham-spurs

    Absolutely mindblowing coming from the Aus experience with COVID and sports.

    You can't bubble every football team in the UK and new case rate over there is exploding. They are completely fucked. Surely lower leagues will be cancelled at some stage.

    edit: the fact that they only had the tests on Spurs insistence for not wanting to catch anything is absolutely mind boggling.
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    Post by filthridden Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:37 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    McIntyre was shit because if 8 beat 1, then the winner of some other game had to play team 1 the next week (possibly at a neutral venue or 1s home ground) whilst the team that beat them got 'punished' with a game against team 8.

    In general, the winner of 4v5 had a harder week 2 match-up than the loser. And if it was all Sydney teams involved, then there wasn't even home ground advantage to make up for that.

    I would love to go back to the old 5-team finals system if for no other reason than it doesn't reward teams like the Sharks and Knights.

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