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    Post by Guest Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:29 pm

    WT Winfield wrote:

    You've lost me with that definition of a stupid trade. You're doing the same thing if you trade him to a Rd 17 player, but running the risk of not even getting the score when Rd 17 rolls around.

    The two guys you mentioned, Cam and SJ, obviously not getting called up to origin, but SJ especially is extremely risky unless trading him in 1 hour before kickoff in Rd 17.

    Sure I absolutely take that point. Always the injury risk is present pre-round 17. Fair argument, no debate there.

    But i refer to my comment above.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:30 pm

    lukeaye wrote:

    Yes i Understand that. So I refer to my earlier point, there isn't a player left you could argue would outscore Matterson, so you are using 1 trade to get 1 score.

    Lets say you would bring Fitzgibbon, hard to argue he would outscore Matterson all else being equal.

    It's literally one trade for one score.

    I think you can easily make the case that Fitzgibbon and Matterson will average the same from here on in.

    Even if you take their current averages Fitzgibbon still scores ~30 more that Matterson from here.

    + you mitigate 2 additional risks:

    1) Matterson's health
    2) the round 13 vs 17 thing!

    That being said, all things considered, if I owned Matterson I wouldn't be trading him this week.


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    Post by Loomer Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:31 pm

    Matterson>CS9  so I can do 2 spuds like Gosi Thompson to Olive and Mcinnes next week? Seriously considering it
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    Post by filthridden Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:31 pm

    Shooter McGavin wrote:Matterson's head and Cody Walker's silent decline have been a dark few fantasy weeks for me.

    Don't worry, Shooter. That green jacket is yours!
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    Post by Guest Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:32 pm

    Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    Actually, reading this Im not sure what you mean by "double the damage"? If you trade out Matterson, it doesn't matter who you bring in (in terms of what bye round they play) as both will play 12 of the next 13 weeks whereas at a maximum Matterson now plays 11 of 13. SO you are effectively trading for one extra week of scoring = ~50 points.

    You really think 1 trade should be worth 50 points? That's 50 points over another 12 rounds all else being equal. That is a massive waste of a trade, considering you could use that trade to generate an extra $150k-$200k, which could net you a player worth 10-20 points a round higher average. 130 - 260 points total. I know there are a lot of variables at play, but it still seems like a massive waste to me.


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    Post by WT Winfield Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:33 pm

    filthridden wrote:

    Don't worry, Shooter. That green jacket is yours!

    I believe that's Mr. Gilmore's
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    Post by filthridden Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:37 pm

    Bye round boredom has peaked. I've sunk to watching union.

    GO THE CHIEFS!
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    Post by Shanbon Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:42 pm

    lukeaye wrote:

    You really think 1 trade should be worth 50 points? That's 50 points over another 12 rounds all else being equal. That is a massive waste of a trade, considering you could use that trade to generate an extra $150k-$200k, which could net you a player worth 10-20 points a round higher average. 130 - 260 points total. I know there are a lot of variables at play, but it still seems like a massive waste to me.

    Generating 150k is 2 trades (1 in 1 out) not to mention it could take 4 weeks of a player scoring 20 points less then fitz then 8 weeks of a player scoring 10 more then fitz to have the same output over the rest of the season for 1 more trade.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:44 pm

    lukeaye wrote:

    You really think 1 trade should be worth 50 points? That's 50 points over another 12 rounds all else being equal. That is a massive waste of a trade, considering you could use that trade to generate an extra $150k-$200k, which could net you a player worth 10-20 points a round higher average. 130 - 260 points total. I know there are a lot of variables at play, but it still seems like a massive waste to me.

    Like I said, I wouldn't be making the trade, but any trade people are making as a pure bye round strategy trade this year is basically for 50 points. Bye round trades give you 1 extra score, thats it...and IMO a number of teams will have scope to do that. Either that or end up with trades in the bank come round 25 and for every trade you waste thats 50 points you miss out on. Right now that could equate to 100s of ranks depending on where you sit.

    As for generating money - at this stage of the comp, take a look at the top teams, they are done generating money. Its all about points for them. If you are still trying to generate money now its cause you missed too many boats early on. I guess my thinking comes from a place where cash generation is no longer a focus.

    I hear what you are saying and I take you point for sure. But in terms of my team right now, I see trades as points, not money any more. Im planning on having 2 or 3 trades by round 18 and so I want to make sure I am using all my surplus trades to generate as many points as I can right now.

    E.g. 4 trades for me this week:
    1) Doueihi in (got 40 points but also served as a nice cash out)
    2) MCK (prob 40 points + hopefully a decent C going forward)
    3 and 4) Surgess and Fitzgibbon one of whom I will trade into a round 17 guy solely for he extra 50 points.

    Thats just me though mate, many other strategies out there of course!


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    Post by code delta Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:45 pm

    Chewie wrote:

    Yeah page 51 parties... And there will be a party thread where there will be a continual party. We only just made it to thread 51 last season, but it looks like we're almost there this time around "cheer"

    What happens if we get to page 51 of the Page 51 Party thread??
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    Post by Guest Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:46 pm

    Shanbon wrote:

    Generating 150k is 2 trades (1 in 1 out) not to mention it could take 4 weeks of a player scoring 20 points less then fitz then 8 weeks of a player scoring 10 more then fitz to have the same output over the rest of the season for 1 more trade.

    Depends if you have a cow in your team already or not.

    Cash a cow out and get a keeper, but if you want a new cow, you are correct 2 trades. Fair point.

    I still think it's a wasted a trade.

    But i guess the difference in opinion is what makes fantasy interesting, we all play the game according to our own expectations and perception of value.
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    Post by Guest Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:48 pm

    Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    Like I said, I wouldn't be making the trade, but any trade people are making as a pure bye round strategy trade this year is basically for 50 points. Bye round trades give you 1 extra score, thats it...and IMO a number of teams will have scope to do that. Either that or end up with trades in the bank come round 25 and for every trade you waste thats 50 points you miss out on. Right now that could equate to 100s of ranks depending on where you sit.

    As for generating money - at this stage of the comp, take a look at the top teams, they are done generating money. Its all about points for them. If you are still trying to generate money now its cause you missed too many boats early on.

    I hear what you are saying and I take you point for sure. But in terms of my team right now, I see trades as points, not money any more. Im planning on having 2 or 3 trades by round 18 and so I want to make sure I am using all my surplus trades to generate as many points as I can right now.

    E.g. 4 trades for me this week:
    1) Doueihi in (got 40 points but also served as a nice cash out)
    2) MCK (prob 40 points + hopefully a decent C going forward)
    3 and 4) Surgess and Fitzgibbon one of whom I will trade into a round 17 guy solely for he extra 50 points.

    Thats just me though mate, many other strategies out there of course!

    Sure totally understand that. I feel like my team is nearly complete, but i can't help but feel like 6 trades after 17 for the rest of the season may not be enough.
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    Post by Pacey's Best Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:49 pm

    I've got Matterson as my vc so can't do anything this week but I think I will be selling him next week and probably upgrading to Cam.
    Now that Daniel Tupou is back, I can see Aubbo going back to the bench and being a nuisance for Matterson's minutes. It's obvious that Matterson is struggling with this head knock, so surely (for at least a month), his 80 min games are over.
    Something to think about..........................
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:50 pm

    lukeaye wrote:

    Depends if you have a cow in your team already or not.

    Cash a cow out and get a keeper, but if you want a new cow, you are correct 2 trades. Fair point.

    I still think it's a wasted a trade.

    But i guess the difference in opinion is what makes fantasy interesting, we all play the game according to our own expectations and perception of value.

    Yup, and very different risk profiles and subsequent strategies too. Thats what makes this place interesting . I love seeing how different strategies play out for everyone!

    Best of luck how ever u play it mate.
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    Post by Guest Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:52 pm

    code delta wrote:

    What happens if we get to page 51 of the Page 51 Party thread??

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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:53 pm

    lukeaye wrote:

    Sure totally understand that. I feel like my team is nearly complete, but i can't help but feel like 6 trades after 17 for the rest of the season may not be enough.

    Yup, you could be right, no doubt about that. And thats where we differ.

    I'll happily use 3 or 4 of those to get an extra 150 to 200 points at the risk of running out of trades and my whole season going kaput.

    Reason is, if I added 200 points to my total right now I would be in 4th. I'll grab the chance at coming 4th any day, even at the risk of finishing 4000th Smile
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    Post by Guest Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:53 pm

    Had 11 players before kick off - wade graham hia and now Matto, sigh. Will just take the red dot.
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    Post by filthridden Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:57 pm

    code delta wrote:

    What happens if we get to page 51 of the Page 51 Party thread??

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    Post by Milchcow Sat Jun 02, 2018 5:58 pm

    Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    I think you can easily make the case that Fitzgibbon and Matterson will average the same from here on in.

    Even if you take their current averages Fitzgibbon still scores ~30 more that Matterson from here.

    I would want to have a lot of trades left before I spent a trade trying to get a mere 30 points
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin Sat Jun 02, 2018 6:01 pm

    Milchcow wrote:

    I would want to have a lot of trades left before I spent a trade trying to get a mere 30 points

    Absolutely, but my post was in reply to lukeye's earlier post which was on a different point. Like I said, I wouldn't be making the trade.

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