@Honeysett wrote:Come on Browny let's ramp up the Pearce talks and get him in Newcastle colours asap
Can't talk to Pearce till tomorrow. Today he still has 2 years left on his contract.
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I'd rather TPA info then club paid salaries. TPA's are where the major discrepancies in roster strength come from.
@No Worries wrote:
I've actually seen a TPA and what blew me away was that it included tax, the player had agreed to $100K and was being paid $144k or there abouts to cover the tax on $100K
Just out of curiosity HS, why do you want Pearce to sign with Newie?
@Honeysett wrote:I disagree. He makes smart decisions in club games. He's a great defending 7 and his kicking game as well as organisational game is strong. He knows how to close out a game as well something we struggled with. We lead at half time a lot this year and didn't get the job done.
I agree that he is a great defending 7. He generally also is a brilliant club level halfback - when surrounded by superstars. (The same could be said about Cronk too I guess).@Honeysett wrote:I disagree. He makes smart decisions in club games. He's a great defending 7 and his kicking game as well as organisational game is strong. He knows how to close out a game as well something we struggled with. We lead at half time a lot this year and didn't get the job done.
The thing with the roosters is - they dont give a fuck about development. They want to win now and are happy to pay to do it.@Oz Sport Mad wrote:
Whilst I agree HS, it always baffles me that this often appears to be the criticism of Pearce in the Origin arena.....like all of a sudden he forgets how to do all these things???
I've always thought the scapegoating of Pearce was completely unfounded and a lazy, simpleton's approach to understanding what the difference between the two sides is.....which IMO (and as proven since nearly the origin of Origin) has little to do with the actual team selected.
Anyway enough about that. From a club perspective, I would love for either Pearce or Cronk to come to my club but for differing reasons.
From an on field perspective, personally and taking into account age etc. I would probably prefer Pearce.
Cronk brings so much off the field though.
If I were the Roosters, I certainly wouldn't be swapping one for the other.....and it was an interesting discussion from Cronk last night suggesting something similar.
Absolutely agreeRandom wrote:I don't value Keary at all to be honest and if I was the Roosters I would try keeping Pearce to partner Cronk. There will be other young players around in the future but Pearce has shown to be decent with a solid team around him and Cronk can help elevate others.
Friend, Cronk, Pearce and Teddy is an Origin level spine and one that can win the comp. Particularly with a forward pack of JWH, Napa and Cordner.
The thing with the roosters is - they dont give a fuck about development. They want to win now and are happy to pay to do it.
What would you rather?
You dont really develop all that many juniors but you buy top flight players every few years. Just about every year you are close to winning the minor premiership, every other year you win it. You make the GF qualifier every year pretty much and once every 6/7 years you win a comp. If swapping an excellent local junior for an elite level, once in a generation halfback for 2 years wins you a comp in those 2 years, its justified. Also, your star players might get hurt or fuck a dog once every 5 years and you miss the finals those years.
You develop your own juniors, you add the odd good young gun from here or there every couple of years but you value playing blokes you have developed. Every year you make the finals, sometimes you are a genuine chance of winning the comp - but you never win the minor premiership and you only win a comp once every 15-20 years.
I understand that the second scenario makes the success more valuable, but the success is also more rare.
The roosters want to win now - they have seen that there is a better player out on the market and bought him. It might be at the expense of one of their fav sons but if it wins them the comp, its justified IMO (from the roosters management point of view).
Also, is there a single thing that Pearce does better than Cronk? Besides be younger lol? They have taken the better bet and picked up Cronk for 2 years, if it wins them a comp its justified. If they stick with Pearce for the next 6 years and dont win one, whats the point?
If they dont win one with cronk, they will hit the market again and buy the best halfback they can, prob a Cleary, Morgan or Taylor.
Pearce staying is the best outcome for everyone IMO too. He gets to learn from Cronk, play a bit of 6/7/9 for 2 years which will only help his game and gets to take over again once Cronk leaves. I mean, its a fucking joke salary cap wise but its the best outcome for the roosters.
Also fucking LOL about the origin stuff. How many games does he need to play before you will admit that he isnt up to that level. This year was a perfect example of why he shouldnt be there too, the perfect chance win a series. Nope, couldnt do it.
Answer the question@Oz Sport Mad wrote:
I don't particularly care about the Roosters strategy.
My point isn't who has been the best player thus far into their career, it was taking a crystal ball and predicting who will be the best player in the Roosters team over the next two years.
If I was being biased I'd suggest Cronk but if I am being honest and if I were Trent Robinson, I think Pearce is hitting his peak as a playmaker and would be the better player in the next two years.
For all we know Cronk will be average without Smith guiding the team and Slater running of his shoulder......similarly for all we know he will still be a fucking gun.
As for losing a spine player, if they had to choose, losing Keary would be the Rooster's preference I image.....however the cheating bastards probably don't have to choose and will keep Keary as a back-up.
As for the Origin stuff, stop trying to look for a silver bullet and give credit to what has been the actual difference between the two teams....which isn't Pearce by the way.
Answer the question
Would you rather win a comp every 6/7 years or once every 10-15 years? Thats how the Roosters look at it.
Why the fuck would you need a crystal ball? Cronk at the end of his career is a better player than Pearce at his peak. Was proven this season just gone too. The only thing that will change that is injury to Cronk. Everything Cronk does is transferrable to the Roosters, plus, everything he does is proven to bring success. There is literally no reason to think that Cronk will not be better than him next season - barring injury.
The difference is usually a Cooper Cronk FG. From Cronk, the better player. Wonder why the Roosters signed him to replace the bloke who consistently can not guide the NSW to a close victory? Ya know, getting your team home in a big game. Interesting that. Cronk is currently and will be a better player than pearce in the next 2 years. If the roosters win the comp next year - 100% the move is justified.
If you are losing a lot of close games, most of the blame certainly falls on the halves.
When he gets picked again next season and they lose again, will that be enough games to show that he isnt up to it? He is not at the level and never will be at the level that wins you games in origin like a JT, Cronk, Johns, Fittler. I would love to be proven wrong about this but it hasnt happened yet and he has had many many chances to do it.
The point of that is - thats what the roosters do and are doing. They want to win now and Cronk at 7 gives them a better chance of doing it than Pearce at 7. And no, if you or anyone else think that Cronk wont be better wearing 7 at the roosters than Pearce would have been, you and these mystery others are absolute flat earthers. What is long term about saying Cronk at the back end of his career is better than Pearce at his peak. What dont you get about me saying There is literally no reason to think that Cronk will not be better than him next season - barring injury. Or was that not short term enough for you? Cronk will be be a better player this weekend than Pearce will be. There you go?? derrrp@Oz Sport Mad wrote:
Ummm what the fuck are you on about?
Yes, I would really, really like for my team to win less premierships..... in fact I'd love for them to win as many spoons as the Knights while they are at it
You (and many others) may not necessarily agree with who out of Pearce and Cronk would play better at the Roosters over the next two years but what I am suggesting is looking at the short term....hence why I keep saying "over the next two years"???
The problem is firstly that you are a daft khunt....but secondly that you are simplistically looking for Pearce to produce a last minute FG or play to seal an Origin match and hence provide the proof to satisfy your simple brain.
Maybe he will and maybe he won't but it's not a one man game mate, it's not even just about the 17 blokes that are in the team.
When he get's picked again and they lose next year, I will lay blame appropriately on the whole system....not just the bloke who wasn't able to (or wasn't put in the position to be able to) make the clutch play.