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    Post by Krump on Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:33 pm

    @Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    You reckon they voluntarily hang their coach out to dry based on circumstantial evidence? I reckon Lehman gets away with it aye. But I hope you are right!
    Thats the way I see it going. It's looking like they weren't expecting the backlash from home that they're getting, Aussies hate a cheat.
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    Post by Dip on Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:44 pm

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    Mate, do you really think an arse like Steve Smith is going to give two hoots about that? He won't give a flying fuck not to mention he's well set him self up for like with his career (no matter how tainted it may be now) and ironically he's probably just upped the value of his first book deal by a few $mill too....

    My point is, these sorts of cheating pricks only care about themselves, $, and winning at all costs. Morales, doing the right thing, and worrying about what kind of legacy you leave and whether or not you leave the world in a better place than when you found it (like the way most normal people think) is WAY WAY down the list, if on it at all!

    I think you misinterpret my post. I'm not saying that should be his only punishment, far from it. I'm saying that apart from sanctions, he deserves to have people have a go at him about this just like Greg Chappell has with under-arm (which wasn't even illegal, though definitely unethical).

    I want CA and the ICC to come on down hard on ball tamperers. Unfortunately they haven't done so when it was done by the likes of Mike Atherton, Sachin Tendulkar, Vernon Philander, Shahid Afridi, Faf De Plessis and Faf De Plessis, none of whom missed a test (Afridi missed a couple of T20's) It's been done for years, and should be stamped out as best as possible. Every single ball tampering incident is in my opinion intentional, and pre-meditated (at least to the point of "if we don't get some wickets we'll have to speed up the wear on one side of the ball"). To be honest, I think it's been pretty prevalent basically since Imran and Sarfraz discovered reverse swing, so I'll make up my own mind as to what I think the punishment will be, and I'll be damned if I'll be lectured by a group of former players who in all likelihood did the same in their career but in front of far less cameras.
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    Post by Dip on Mon Mar 26, 2018 2:51 pm

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    I can't see CA trying a cover up, heads are gonna roll.

    The alleged call to Handscomb could have been anything, and in all likelihood has more likely something like "get down there and tell them to bowl ___ like our plan was!". That aside, I still refuse to believe Lehmann didn't know, and even if he didn't, do you really want a coach whose players don't run something this big past the coach? Allan Border was probably the strongest captain of the last 40 years, but no way would Bob Simpson not know about this.
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    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Mon Mar 26, 2018 3:58 pm

    @Dip wrote:

    The alleged call to Handscomb could have been anything, and in all likelihood has more likely something like "get down there and tell them to bowl ___ like our plan was!". That aside, I still refuse to believe Lehmann didn't know, and even if he didn't, do you really want a coach whose players don't run something this big past the coach? Allan Border was probably the strongest captain of the last 40 years, but no way would Bob Simpson not know about this.

    This was my point before Dip.

    I don't reckon the players run something like this past the coach.
    They certainly don't when they are out on the field and talking about which side to shine or what fields to set etc. and I imagine this was an extension of this, that just went too far.
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    Post by code delta on Mon Mar 26, 2018 4:31 pm

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    This.  Shit cunt.  Put ya hand up and then shut up.  

    So your happy to hate him because he cheated but happy to look the other way and not hate all the others that contributed to the decision to cheat?
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    Post by dasherhalo on Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:32 pm

    OK, I've calmed down a bit.

    No one else has been sacked for ball tampering. This is worse than the average ball tampering event though, so.... strip them of their captaincies. A few games suspension.

    They'll be copping it for the rest of their careers, unlike someone like Faf, who's been charged twice, and no one really gives a shit.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Mon Mar 26, 2018 6:51 pm

    @Dip wrote:

    I think you misinterpret my post. I'm not saying that should be his only punishment, far from it. I'm saying that apart from sanctions, he deserves to have people have a go at him about this just like Greg Chappell has with under-arm (which wasn't even illegal, though definitely unethical).

    I want CA and the ICC to come on down hard on ball tamperers. Unfortunately they haven't done so when it was done by the likes of Mike Atherton, Sachin Tendulkar, Vernon Philander, Shahid Afridi, Faf De Plessis and Faf De Plessis, none of whom missed a test (Afridi missed a couple of T20's) It's been done for years, and should be stamped out as best as possible. Every single ball tampering incident is in my opinion intentional, and pre-meditated (at least to the point of "if we don't get some wickets we'll have to speed up the wear on one side of the ball"). To be honest, I think it's been pretty prevalent basically since Imran and Sarfraz discovered reverse swing, so I'll make up my own mind as to what I think the punishment will be, and I'll be damned if I'll be lectured by a group of former players who in all likelihood did the same in their career but in front of far less cameras.

    Hey man, sorry mate, I did read your whole post and from memory agreed with al of it. I just replied in relation to just that one bit. Basically what I was trying to say was that while in an ideal world part of his punishment would be to live with being tainted as a cheater I don't think the likes of Smith will give two shits about that. They think they are above everyone else, that's partly how they get to that level in the first place. Maybe you are right, maybe he does have a conscience and perhaps he will live with feeling bad about it, but I doubt it. If he was that type of person I don't think he would have cheated in the first place.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Mon Mar 26, 2018 7:04 pm

    BTW, NZ has just completed what I think will go down as one of their great Test match victories, beating England in NZ's first ever Day-Night Test by an Innings and 49 runs.

    Day 1 was quite possibly one of the most impressive bowling (and fielding efforts) I have seen. England rolled for 58 in a near flawless display of swing bowling and fielding - Boult 6/32 of 10.4. Then Kane Williams and Nichols hit centuries in NZs reply Nichols finishing on 145*. With a lead of 369 NZ went on to knock over England for 320 in the last session of the test (2 days ruled out b/c of rain.

    Really impressive from the Kiwis and no ball tampering as far as Im aware Smile
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    Post by Pain on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:37 pm

    End of the day these clowns are representing Australia.

    You ok with that to continue?

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    Post by code delta on Mon Mar 26, 2018 8:59 pm

    This is possibly the most measured write up I've seen so far ,.... https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/this-is-cricket-s-metoo-moment-a-rare-opportunity-for-complete-purge-20180325-p4z66c.html
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    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Tue Mar 27, 2018 12:38 am

    @code delta wrote:This is possibly the most measured write up I've seen so far ,.... https://www.smh.com.au/sport/cricket/this-is-cricket-s-metoo-moment-a-rare-opportunity-for-complete-purge-20180325-p4z66c.html

    Not a bad piece, although fairly harsh assumption that Smith should have been more honest about how much this has happened in the past.

    For all we know he was telling the truth and this is the first time this has happened.

    Wouldn't surprise me given we've never looked like swinging the ball in the past....

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    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Wed Mar 28, 2018 6:06 am

    @Krump wrote:
    Thats the way I see it going. It's looking like they weren't expecting the backlash from home that they're getting, Aussies hate a cheat.

    As I thought, Coach getting protected and gonna get off - irony is he's the biggest jerk of them all!!
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    Post by No Worries on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:34 am

    Interesting piece this morning suggesting it was Warner to Bancroft, Smith at the presser tried covering for Warner. Warner threw the fast bowlers under the bus at the interviews, leaked to the media and has removed himself from the team group on What'sApp.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:51 am

    @No Worries wrote:Interesting piece this morning suggesting it was Warner to Bancroft, Smith at the presser tried covering for Warner. Warner threw the fast bowlers under the bus at the interviews, leaked to the media and has removed himself from the team group on What'sApp.

    Yeah, those kind of rumours had been circling in NZ over the last couple days two. Warner just seems like such a fuckin wanker. If thats the case they are probably glad to get rid of him as Im sure most of the OZ players are reasonably decent blokes....
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    Post by leaguegod on Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:24 am

    i would not be shocked if warner never made it back and became a T20 gun for hire in all the different domestic leagues
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    Post by No Worries on Wed Mar 28, 2018 9:32 am

    @leaguegod wrote:i would not be shocked if warner never made it back and became a T20 gun for hire in all the different domestic leagues

    I think this is pretty much guaranteed. Still pocket a couple of mill a year for a couple of months work.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Wed Mar 28, 2018 11:51 am

    @No Worries wrote:

    I think this is pretty much guaranteed. Still pocket a couple of mill a year for a couple of months work.

    Money does you no good though when you are as unhappy as that guy must be.

    I don't know him but I have a certain level of sympathy for people who have so much shit going on in their lives and/or heads that it results in them being such jerks on the outside.

    I could care less about 20-20 so Im glad I won't see him on the cricket field again if what you guys say is true!
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    Post by Dip on Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:10 pm

    Warner comes across as being an absolute cock, and it always made me question why he was the vice captain. Then when you watch him in the field closely he's the guy who runs 20 metres between ball to give a fielder a pat on the back, or help them up after they've made a dive. Then I heard Chris Rogers telling on ABC radio about how good a bloke he is, and tell a story about how one test (maybe a milestone match like 50th match or something, or a home test he got a century in) his parents were brought to the dressing room after play and Rogers was in a media conference. Warner was the guy who went out of his way to make sure they met everyone, were included in conversations, made his mum a cup of tea etc until Rogers returned. He sounds like the guy who everyone who doesn't know him hates him, and everyone who knows him loves him - a lot like Anthony Mundine in that respect. From that respect, stories of him throwing the bowlers under a bus and removing himself from the team environment sounded weird and didn't make sense. Guess we will find out in the next few weeks.
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    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Wed Mar 28, 2018 8:35 pm

    @Dip wrote:Warner comes across as being an absolute cock, and it always made me question why he was the vice captain. Then when you watch him in the field closely he's the guy who runs 20 metres between ball to give a fielder a pat on the back, or help them up after they've made a dive. Then I heard Chris Rogers telling on ABC radio about how good a bloke he is, and tell a story about how one test (maybe a milestone match like 50th match or something, or a home test he got a century in) his parents were brought to the dressing room after play and Rogers was in a media conference. Warner was the guy who went out of his way to make sure they met everyone, were included in conversations, made his mum a cup of tea etc until Rogers returned. He sounds like the guy who everyone who doesn't know him hates him, and everyone who knows him loves him - a lot like Anthony Mundine in that respect. From that respect, stories of him throwing the bowlers under a bus and removing himself from the team environment sounded weird and didn't make sense. Guess we will find out in the next few weeks.

    It is all a bit confusing isn't it.

    My belief is that all people are good at heart, but shit happens and some people become nice people and some people don't.

    I don't doubt that Warner can be a good bloke at times, but when you are a jerk heaps too, that kinda overrides the good shit you do IMO. It sounds like he's a pretty messed up fullah to be honest. Fame, money, and pro sport can do that to people if you haven't got your head screwed on well.

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