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    Post by Pieman on Tue Jul 17, 2018 7:32 am

    @Ice wrote: Middle, edge, it's like halves playing exclusively on one side, I'm so over it. It's just dumb coaching fullstop for mine. Cordner is an edge, Crighton is an edge, what did they do on the edges that Brown couldn't have done?

    Its about defence more than attack. Brown would get absolutly smoked by quick back rowers, centres and halves if he was defending at 4th man in. Hes too slow to be out that wide. He is a middle because he is doesnt have the speed and lateral movement in D that guys like Cordner and Crichton have.

    In attack, can Brown run good outside in lines? Can he hit holes? can he catch the ball going into contact right away? Does he have the footwork and speed to beat his defender? I dont reckon. He is a good middle. Tough, tackles well with guys basically running straight at him, decent ball player and offload.

    Edge players and middle players have totally different skill sets, its nothing like halves playing either side.
    Can some blokes do both? sure, just like some players can play hooker or halfback.
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    Post by Ice on Wed Jul 18, 2018 5:36 pm

    @Pieman wrote:

    Its about defence more than attack. Brown would get absolutly smoked by quick back rowers, centres and halves if he was defending at 4th man in. Hes too slow to be out that wide. He is a middle because he is doesnt have the speed and lateral movement in D that guys like Cordner and Crichton have.

    In attack, can Brown run good outside in lines? Can he hit holes? can he catch the ball going into contact right away? Does he have the footwork and speed to beat his defender? I dont reckon. He is a good middle. Tough, tackles well with guys basically running straight at him, decent ball player and offload.

    Edge players and middle players have totally different skill sets, its nothing like halves playing either side.
    Can some blokes do both? sure, just like some players can play hooker or halfback.

    Is that why Cordner always has a bunch of missed/ineffective tackles, and rarely beats players with his footwork? I reckon maybe he should be moved to the middle also then, just not for the Blues.
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    Post by Pieman on Thu Jul 19, 2018 7:17 am

    @Ice wrote:

    Is that why Cordner always has a bunch of missed/ineffective tackles, and rarely beats players with his footwork? I reckon maybe he should be moved to the middle also then, just not for the Blues.

    he can hit a pretty fucking good hole consistently.... do you ever see Cordner get beaten on the outside?
    Maybe cordner should be moved in closer in the future, but thats why brown cant play out wide. Hes a good middle, he doesnt belong on an edge.
    Maybe if he trained there and lost a little weight?
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    Post by leaguegod on Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:45 am

    cordner is about as reliable a guy as you can get, was often the only forward getting back to help with a tough run when were stuck in our own end, every other forward was walking back and wondering why we couldn't out of our own end.

    runs good lines in attack, plays good edge defense, he has earned his spot and there is no way a middle forward like brown would be in line to take it

    maybe talk about brown V's crighton is warranted because frizz should just stay on the edge and JDB can shift tot he edge if an injury occurred (or the peach)
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    Post by No Worries on Fri Jul 20, 2018 12:22 pm

    @Pieman wrote:

    he can hit a pretty fucking good hole consistently.... do you ever see Cordner get beaten on the outside?
    Maybe cordner should be moved in closer in the future, but thats why brown cant play out wide. Hes a good middle, he doesnt belong on an edge.
    Maybe if he trained there and lost a little weight?

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    Post by Pieman on Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:47 pm

    @leaguegod wrote:cordner is about as reliable a guy as you can get, was often the only forward getting back to help with a tough run when were stuck in our own end, every other forward was walking back and wondering why we couldn't out of our own end.

    runs good lines in attack, plays good edge defense, he has earned his spot and there is no way a middle forward like brown would be in line to take it

    maybe talk about brown V's crighton is warranted because frizz should just stay on the edge and JDB can shift tot he edge if an injury occurred (or the peach)

    yeah I am not saying he would look out of place playing origin, but he is a middle forward - he would get rekked defending and attacking out on an edge IMO
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    Post by Ice on Sat Jul 21, 2018 7:01 pm

    I don't actually think Brown should be a NSW edge forward for the record.
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    Post by Mighty Fishes on Sat Jul 21, 2018 8:17 pm

    I may be wrong here but I don't rate Crichton highly at all. Think hes very luckly he is where he is. Theres plenty more players much better than he is not being picked.

    I don't know what it is but last year he scored a few tries for the bunnies and everyone is saying hes a superstar.

    What about Fitzgibbon? Scored 15 tries in 35 games and in my opinion much much better in defence too.  

    I don't know maybe its just me
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    Post by Pieman on Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:30 am

    TPJ added to the NSW squad... interesting...
    Cook the only hooker..? Unless they are planning at trying Pearce there.
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    Post by Pieman on Mon Nov 26, 2018 8:32 am

    also, how about the aus union player getting penalised for a shoulder charge WITH the ball against england. Fuck me dead... Union have lost the absolute plot.
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    Post by No Worries on Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:13 am

    6 new faces in the extended squad TPJ, Nick Cotric, Dale Finucane, Cameron Murray, Ryan James, Luke Keary and Jordan McLean. Keary has said he wants to be a Maroon, he should be sent to SOO exile and never play, Freddy has done well to build pride and someone like Keary doesn't meet the criteria. As for TPJ I feel sorry for him that he is being made to pick between the Blues & Tonga. Something needs to change, if he's eligible for both he should be able to play both. SOO should have nothing to do with which country you play your international career with. I also think TPJ is only there to get a feel and isn't being seriously considered. His game has a lot of improvement before he is SOO ready. While not the be all and end all, some interesting stats:

    TPJ (22 yrs): 1,133 (mins), 398 (Tackles), 41 (Missed Tackles)
    Farah (34 yrs): (790 mins), 399 (Tackles), 19 (Missed Tackles)

    Extended Origin squad:

    Jack Bird (Brisbane Broncos)
    Reagan Campbell-Gillard (Penrith Panthers)
    Nathan Cleary (Penrith Panthers)
    Josh Addo-Carr (Melbourne Storm)
    Damien Cook (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
    Nick Cotric (Canberra Raiders)
    Boyd Cordner (Sydney Roosters)
    Angus Crichton (Sydney Roosters)
    Jack De Belin (St George Illawarra Dragons)
    Dale Finucane (Melbourne Storm)
    Blake Ferguson (Parramatta Eels)
    Tyson Frizell (St George Illawarra Dragons)
    Wade Graham (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks)
    Ryan James (Gold Coast Titans)
    Josh Jackson (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
    Luke Keary (Sydney Roosters)
    David Klemmer (Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs)
    James Maloney (Penrith Panthers)
    Jordan McLean (North Queensland Cowboys)
    Latrell Mitchell (Sydney Roosters)
    Cameron Murray (South Sydney Rabbitohs)
    Tyrone Peachey (Gold Coast Titans)
    Mitchell Pearce (Newcastle Knights)
    Tevita Pangai Junior (Brisbane Broncos)
    Matt Prior (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks)
    James Roberts (Brisbane Broncos)
    Tariq Sims (St George Illawarra Dragons)
    James Tedesco (Sydney Roosters)
    Jake Trbojevic (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)
    Tom Trbojevic (Manly Warringah Sea Eagles)
    Paul Vaughan (St George Illawarra Dragons)
    Aaron Woods (Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks) lol!
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    Post by ryno_ on Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:33 am

    @No Worries wrote:6 new faces in the extended squad TPJ,  Nick Cotric, Dale Finucane, Cameron Murray, Ryan James, Luke Keary and Jordan McLean.

    How are Ryan James and McLean new faces? Weren't they the 18 and 19 last year?

    Is Cotric there as a player or is it some kind of "bring your kid to work day"?
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    Post by No Worries on Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:31 am

    Yeah it's a long bow calling them new. I suppose they didn't get a jersey so it's a technicality. But not like they haven't been around the set up before, which is the whole idea of the extended squad.
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    Post by Pieman on Mon Nov 26, 2018 3:39 pm

    Cotric is one of the best wingers in the comp
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    Post by No Worries on Mon Nov 26, 2018 4:33 pm

    How does Keary get a spot over the Dally M halfback of the year ?
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    Post by Pieman on Mon Nov 26, 2018 5:47 pm

    Shows how much weight that award has.

    Orford won an actual Dally M and never played a meaningful rep game.
    Preso won one, never played SOO or Aus.
    Lockyer never won one.

    Some people claim that Lockyer is the greatest player of all time, or in the very top few, and he never won a Dally M.

    Fkn Lol.
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    Post by No Worries on Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:10 am

    Hayne 1.5 X better than Lockyer ?
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    Post by ryno_ on Tue Nov 27, 2018 9:30 am

    @No Worries wrote:Hayne 1.5 X better than Lockyer ?

    Sexual assaults:
    Hayne - 2
    Lockyer - 0

    2 > 0

    Confirmed.
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    Post by Pieman on Tue Nov 27, 2018 10:54 am

    Locky only joked about raping people
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    Post by Pieman on Wed Nov 28, 2018 8:00 am

    TPJ has committed to NSW apparently.

    Not sure how I feel about it. I am all for big names playing for countries of their heritage but to be honest I reckon you should have to be committed to australia to be playing for NSW or QLD. Its a quintessentially australian thing, allowing mercenaries to come in and out pulls at the threads holding it together.

    I duno tho.. there are good and bad points for it going both ways.


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