@Ice wrote:Ok, had a chance to read it. Plenty of fair points, like I said, I think it IS a massive task for Hayne and I to doubt he will make it, but I also think, if anyone can make it, Hayne has clearly proven he is the guy and I do think that he will make it on merit. I don't think in a squad as limited as 12 you can afford to carry a guy and though there may be financial benefits and yes, agree maybe they would think about them, I think Gold would be more valuable without Hayne than Silver or Bronze would be with him.
Smith and Barrett?? Never heard of them, so can't really be compared to Hayne.
Again, didn't mean anything personal against you so my apologies if that's how it came across.
Good on ya bro, seems we are on the same page about pretty much anything. No need to apologise either mate, I didn't take it personally at all, just wanted to try and steer the conversation in a different direction. The whole "I hate New South Welshman" thing weeks of little kids throwing dirt
Without doubt Gold would be more valuable without Hayne than the alternative, but there is an argument to say that IF Hayne can show enough in training and London, then perhaps they think they would be able to select him. But lets be honest Fiji are gonna have to take him on a lot of good will if he is to make the Rio squad. That's not to say he won't also have to show that he has a heap of talent in 7s, has the capability of learning the trade quickly etc etc. So IMO it will be a balance of the two. I just can't see him being able to get to the point where he is legitimately better than Fijis 12th best player. Again, I'd point out the SBW example for the ABs in 2011 though. It is widely accepted there was no way he was good enough to make that squad, but the ABs were good enough to carry him, and to be fair it wasn't as if he was a bunny, he was a good player, just not AB elite in many peoples opinions and the ABs were that good that they were able to win.
The Barrett/Smith thing is not really a comparison to Hayne, rather they are arguably the best the All Blacks have to offer the 7s squad, so my point was really that I think if I was to try and put my self in your shoes, how would I feel about the absolute top NZ talent trying to make the NZ 7s team at this late stage? and to be honest I think I would be pretty critical of the timing at least and I would be concerned about a couple other technical / fitness issues as well. That being said I would be massively excited to see how they would go.