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    Post by Ice Sun May 02, 2021 5:11 pm

    Hey Bitches, been a while.

    Thoughts on the possible conference system?

    I'm not against breaking into conferences if the Comp moves to 18, where during season teams play conference teams home/away, and non conference teams once. The obvious negative is the non Sydney conference has a reasonable gripe regarding additional travel. Perhaps a payoff regarding that travel issue could be that, instead of non conference games being 4 at home and for away, the Sydney conference teams must play 5 of the 8 non Sydney teams AWAY, 2 at home and 1 rural. Thus reducing non Sydney team travel and increasing Sydney team travel to more equitable levels.

    Re finals, no way in the world should they go to a system where GF can only be Non-Sydney v Sydney. I know it works well in the states, but the NRL MUST have a system whereby at the start of the season every single two team combination is a possibility of occurring.

    Finals - Top 10 Perhaps, and I haven't run the full Ice Finals system development software over this yet, but at a pinch, reward for topping conference is auto progression to week two, with the team with the best win/loss being seeded 1, the other 2.
    Teams 2 and 3 in each conference play their opposite conference number, for a final 8 ranking position. I.e 2 v 2 (winner ranked 3, loser ranked 4) 3 v 3 (winner 5/loser 6)
    Teams 5 plays team 6 in own conference in wildcard knockout. Winners file position 7 and 8 based on regular season win/loss. So In the non-Sydney conference 5 v 6, (assume 6 upset 5) and 5 beat 6 in Sydney conference, but 6 in the non Sydney conference had the better home/away win loss, they get ranked 7 in week 2.

    From there, play out the usual,Final 8 system based on rankings. The accounts and Tv will love it due to additional finals games.

    Or, more simply, scrap all that, and just run the normal top 8 based on win/loss for/against. Bringing both conferences together to begin finals.


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    Post by Honeysett Sun May 02, 2021 9:38 pm

    I hate it. It works for the NBA because they have so many teams and the travel is massive. It's shit for the NRL and has the potential to turn me off the sport.
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    Post by surmo13 Mon May 03, 2021 12:09 am

    I hate pretty much everything about 'the 'proposed' conference system, though I don't mind 'a' conference system, I like the idea of splitting the comp into 2 groups of 9 with their own ladder, that play each other twice and the other group once, so their W/L record can be compared to teams that have played the exact same teams they have, but:

    - after the regular season, the finals system should stay the same, albeit modified to reflect the new rankings, so week 1 would be A1 vs B2, B1 vs A2 for a week off, and your elimination finals as either A3 vs B4, B3 vs A4 OR best rank 3 vs Wildcard #2, worst rank 3 vs Wildcard #1, then continue from there.

    - it has to be as fair as can be expected geographically, none of this splitting into Sydney and Non-Sydney shit, 4 Sydney teams in each conference, 1 Brisbane team in each conference, then work out how best to split the other 8.
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    Post by zim Mon May 03, 2021 9:55 pm

    @Ice wrote:The obvious negative is the non Sydney conference has a reasonable gripe regarding additional travel


    It's a legit gripe but all teams in that conference will face the same travel challenge to reach their top 4 and make the finals, if that's how it ends up working, top 4 from each.

    Just writing down the conferences to see how it would look

    Wests
    Easts
    Souths
    Cronulla
    Penrith
    Parra
    Dogs
    Manly
    Saints

    total points this year after round 8 - 76 points

    Melbourne
    Canberra
    Newcastle
    Gold Coast
    Brisbane
    North Queensland
    New Zealand
    Dolphins?
    +1

    total points this year after round 8 - 48 points (2 less teams)

    Top 4 right now are Sydney teams. If we give the 2 new teams 3 wins from 8 each (enough to be in the top 8 right now) that's 12 more taking the conference to 60 points vs Sydney's 76

    Looking at that it seems for at least the first few years the non-Sydney conference would be easier to qualify from. Depends if the new franchises can come in and be instant juggernauts like Storm were. I doubt that will happen.

    I don't really care how it goes, but more Sydney team derby's would be good from a banter point of view for us Sydney based fans.
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    Post by No Worries Tue May 04, 2021 9:43 am

    At the earliest is 2026. They've floated the idea to get people talking, to get people use to the idea. It will happen, now it's fine tuning. We've done most of the heavy lifting (as usual) for them.

    Trying to keep some rivalries but make the travel fairer and the cross conference finals is a given

    Tigers
    Penrith
    Parra
    Dogs
    Broncos
    Storm
    Knights
    Quokas
    Titans

    Cronulla
    Manly
    Saints
    Easts
    Souths
    Dolphins
    Warriors
    Raiders
    Cowboys
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    Post by Milchcow Tue May 04, 2021 9:56 am


    Splitting the comp into Sydney and non-Sydney just seems like the idea of the old dinosaurs who just want to go back to the NSWRL where Sydney teams play each other in front of small crowds at shitty suburban grounds, so people can sit on a hill drinking tinnies and watch some biff.
    The non-sydney conference would be an afterthought, and they don't really give a shit about how it works, but they'd reluctantly include it in the main comp for finals if they had to.

    Its not the way forward for the game, and will be a poor decision if they let it go ahead.
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    Post by robelgordo Tue May 04, 2021 10:27 am

    It’s a terrible idea and I can’t think of a single problem it solves that can’t be fixed in a less disruptive way.
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    Post by Oz Sport Mad Tue May 04, 2021 2:26 pm

    @No Worries wrote:At the earliest is 2026. They've floated the idea to get people talking, to get people use to the idea. It will happen, now it's fine tuning. We've done most of the heavy lifting (as usual) for them.

    Trying to keep some rivalries but make the travel fairer and the cross conference finals is a given

    Tigers
    Penrith
    Parra
    Dogs
    Broncos
    Storm
    Knights
    Quokas
    Titans

    Cronulla
    Manly
    Saints
    Easts
    Souths
    Dolphins
    Warriors
    Raiders
    Cowboys

    Hardly surprising you've thrown the big drawcard Broncos into the Tigers division, to selfishly boost your ticket sales.....but can you imagine the uproar from what would become the poor cousins in the other division??

    I honestly can't stand the conference system and I have no idea why it ever gets floated.

    In fact, it shits me that we unfortunately already have an unofficial 'conference system', which funnily enough is usually one of the arguments put forth for the system....

    The fact any proposed conference system is essentially shot down when the idea is put forward in black and white, tells me a couple of things:

    1. The current system is shite too
    2. The average NRL fan is a battling simpleton

    The answer is blatantly simple - the season is clearly too long and should be shortened so everyone plays each other once.

    Now before everyone has a meltdown about TV rights.....I think they could still fill the void with an extended pre-season and a better International schedule at the end of the year (particularly given all the players are less likely to withdraw if the season is shorter).

    As we have seen with the Big Bash, there is no point flogging a product so much that it losses it's appeal.
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    Post by Ice Wed May 05, 2021 8:28 am

    OSM, I don't dislike the thought of each team only playing once, but as you rightly point out TV won't go for that and there is no way more pre season games is the answer, nobody cares about that shite. Literally nobody. Pretty much the same with Internatioanl league, no one cares. League is Club And Origin, that's about it. Reduce preseason, in fact have none and get straight into the season I reckon. As a coach I'd much rather get straight into it knowing everyone is in the same boat, and lose a Guy to a ACL in round one rather that in a Mickey Mouse preseason game.

    Maybe the conferences shouldn't be 8, they could make em 2 assuming 2 new teams (Brisbane and NZ) and or 4 teams and forget weakening the Comp with additional teams.

    Two team groups:

    Penrith
    Parramatta

    Rabbitohs
    Roosters

    Dragons
    Sharks

    Manly
    Newcastle

    Bulldogs
    Tigers

    Raiders
    Storm

    Titans
    Cowboys

    Broncos
    Firehawks/Jets/Dolphins

    Warriors
    NZ Cloud???

    Play two home/away games against your Rival and every other team once. 20 games.

    Forget current form and positions, there is good reason for all these matches.

    16 team Comp, next post.


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    Post by Ice Wed May 05, 2021 9:38 am

    16 team Comp, not Sydney based, a balance of both:

    Bush Conference

    Division:
    Battle of the West
    Penrith
    Parra
    Bulldogs
    Tigers


    Battle of the something.....?
    Rabbitohs
    Roosters
    Raiders
    Storm

    Beach Conference
    Division:
    Battle of the Beaches
    Dragons
    Sharks
    Manly
    Newcastle

    Qld/Kiwi Diaspora (derbies and strong Kiwi communities)
    Warriors
    Broncos
    Titans
    Cowboys

    Play division teams 3 times on a yearly rotating 2 home 1 away format. Play home & away v other 4 team in conference. Play once against teams in opposite conference, 4 home/4 away, rotating who has home game each year.

    25 games
    Top team in each Division auto qualify.
    Final positions filled by best home/away records.
    If winner of a division miraculously has a worse win/loss record than than any team that hasn't qualified, they MUST play Wildcard knockout v that team to retain position.

    Or something, the reality is, the Status Quo will not remain.


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    Post by Shanbon Thu May 06, 2021 4:38 pm

    I doubt many remember but it wasnt that long ago that the comp was essential set up as a 2 conferences but with 1 ladder and top 8 finals. Thats how they used to do the draw. At the start of each year they would do 2 groups (always changing) based on the previous years finishing positions with a few tweaks for local derbies then you would play your group twice and the other once.

    Personally i dont think an 18 team 2 conference system could work, especially if its Sydney based. If they choose to split it it wouldnt be that way anyway, that was a media creation. American sports arent geographically broken down for conferences and the NRL wouldnt either.

    The conference systems i could see working would be at a minimum 15 years away. A 20 team 5 conference (4 teams each) system. You play your group twice H&A and every other team once, 22 games, winner of each conference and 3 teams with next best record make 8 teams finals system.

    Or a 20 team 4 conference system (5 teams each), play group H&A plus others once, 23 games, top 2 in each conference make 8 team finals system.

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