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    Post by sets on Fri May 01, 2020 1:17 pm

    @Teeth Eater wrote:
    The issue is going to be, as in life, the vocal minority. And it'll be trying to appease these people that will create dramas, I suspect. Because if they don't appease these punters I guess the fear is that a lot of people just throw in the towel for Fantasy in 2020 and walk away, which is not what they'd want.

    I feel like giving us ample opportunity to all fix our re-starting squads is what will keep most people playing Fantasy in 2020 and therefore I'd assume they'll go down some variation of that path.

    I agree with this.
    They will do whatever it takes to keep the majority playing. Which will likely screw the current leaders...
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    Post by wolfking on Fri May 01, 2020 1:20 pm

    Even though I'm a Watkins owner, I don't really agree with the idea of handing out extra trades to 'fix' our teams going into round 3.
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    Post by GreenMachine on Fri May 01, 2020 4:31 pm

    72% were wrong when they didn’t pick DPP carrigan
    64% think it’s ok to not have Koroisau. Same number Tlolo and Haas


    Any sort of wildcard would be a disaster and level playing field bad judges don’t deserve.

    Let’s hope it stays close to normal as everyone around here will be able to adapt fine
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms on Fri May 01, 2020 4:46 pm

    @GreenMachine wrote:72% were wrong when they didn’t pick DPP carrigan
    64% think it’s ok to not have Koroisau. Same number Tlolo and Haas


    Any sort of wildcard would be a disaster and level playing field bad judges don’t deserve.

    Let’s hope it stays close to normal as everyone around here will be able to adapt fine

    I still back my no Haas call. I just shouldn't have gone with Cook as his replacement
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    Post by Milchcow on Fri May 01, 2020 5:01 pm


    Lets assume we get enough trades to make it viable - anyone going to try and bring Tedesco in with no mid-season origin?
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    Post by robelgordo on Fri May 01, 2020 5:12 pm

    @multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    I still back my no Haas call. I just shouldn't have gone with Cook as his replacement

    Yeah I’ve got Tolo and Smith, no regrets about no Haas.
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms on Fri May 01, 2020 5:14 pm

    @Milchcow wrote:
    Lets assume we get enough trades to make it viable - anyone going to try and bring Tedesco in with no mid-season origin?

    If Cleary gets a decent ban I'm considering a gun WFB like Turbo or Teddy
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    Post by Camo123 on Fri May 01, 2020 5:17 pm

    @Milchcow wrote:
    Lets assume we get enough trades to make it viable - anyone going to try and bring Tedesco in with no mid-season origin?

    Out of the major origin guns I excluded I’d probably rank them:
    Cleary, Turbo, Tedesco, Cook

    Ranking Cook and Tedesco low will probably come back to bite me but Cook looked off fantasy-wise in early rounds

    Ponga would probably be first gun WFB I’d target but he’s suspended for R3

    There’s still non Origin players that were injured that people had in preseason now likely fit esp McInnes
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    Post by easytiger on Fri May 01, 2020 6:34 pm

    I can't see a situation where there would be unlimited trades prior to the commencement of Round 3.
    It would be a complete disaster, as each team would have different caps based on how successful their first 2 round were - let's face it, we'd all load up on low breakeven, high value players...
    I honestly think that's about as likely as doing a complete restart - and they've already said they will continue as if there was a break between R2 and R3.

    Obviously we started with 34 trades to cover 24 rounds worth of matches (extended to 26 rounds due to Origin byes). So a 20 round comp is just a 4 game deduction i.e. a loss of 1/6th.
    You get 2 bonus trades per SOO bye, so they should be scrapped. To me that leaves 28 for 24 rounds, so a 20 round comp should be 23 or 24 trades.

    I am completely happy if they keep Round 3 at 2 trades. They could be generous and make it a max 4 trade round due to extenuating circumstances (it is a bit like the fallout from a SOO round), and maybe make the total for the year 25 or 26 trades.

    I haven't checked my team, but from memory I know I lose Watkins, and am sure there is some other carnage. The way I figure it, we all knew there was a chance we wouldn't even make it through Round 1. Then Round 2 (empty stadiums round) meant we knew it was likely the season would be suspended, just a question of when. If you selected players with more risky JS then that's just the choice you made.

    In a crazy year, I'm sure good players will do just fine if it's kept to 2 trades and the total cut proportionately. Anything much more than that just rewards people who probably quit halfway through the comp anyway...
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    Post by nxoc39 on Fri May 01, 2020 6:58 pm

    @easytiger wrote:I can't see a situation where there would be unlimited trades prior to the commencement of Round 3.
    It would be a complete disaster, as each team would have different caps based on how successful their first 2 round were - let's face it, we'd all load up on low breakeven, high value players...
    I honestly think that's about as likely as doing a complete restart - and they've already said they will continue as if there was a break between R2 and R3.

    Obviously we started with 34 trades to cover 24 rounds worth of matches (extended to 26 rounds due to Origin byes). So a 20 round comp is just a 4 game deduction i.e. a loss of 1/6th.
    You get 2 bonus trades per SOO bye, so they should be scrapped. To me that leaves 28 for 24 rounds, so a 20 round comp should be 23 or 24 trades.

    I am completely happy if they keep Round 3 at 2 trades. They could be generous and make it a max 4 trade round due to extenuating circumstances (it is a bit like the fallout from a SOO round), and maybe make the total for the year 25 or 26 trades.

    I haven't checked my team, but from memory I know I lose Watkins, and am sure there is some other carnage. The way I figure it, we all knew there was a chance we wouldn't even make it through Round 1. Then Round 2 (empty stadiums round) meant we knew it was likely the season would be suspended, just a question of when. If you selected players with more risky JS then that's just the choice you made.

    In a crazy year, I'm sure good players will do just fine if it's kept to 2 trades and the total cut proportionately. Anything much more than that just rewards people who probably quit halfway through the comp anyway...

    I mean congrats on starting the season well but even with my 2 trades I can't field 17 players for next round

    Is there even an argument to stand on against unlimited trades? Your salary cap would be dictated on how well you started the season so the good players aren't getting punished and players who started poorly aren't being rewarded, and it's not like only poor players can select these low BE high value players, literally everybody would be able to. It's exactly like team selection before round 1 isn't it?
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    Post by mattnz on Fri May 01, 2020 7:10 pm

    @nxoc39 wrote:

    I mean congrats on starting the season well but even with my 2 trades I can't field 17 players for next round

    Is there even an argument to stand on against unlimited trades? Your salary cap would be dictated on how well you started the season so the good players aren't getting punished and players who started poorly aren't being rewarded, and it's not like only poor players can select these low BE high value players, literally everybody would be able to. It's exactly like team selection before round 1 isn't it?
    Which players do you have that are unlikely to be available for selection in round 3?
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    Post by Teeth Eater on Fri May 01, 2020 7:55 pm

    @nxoc39 wrote:

    I mean congrats on starting the season well but even with my 2 trades I can't field 17 players for next round

    Is there even an argument to stand on against unlimited trades? Your salary cap would be dictated on how well you started the season so the good players aren't getting punished and players who started poorly aren't being rewarded, and it's not like only poor players can select these low BE high value players, literally everybody would be able to. It's exactly like team selection before round 1 isn't it?

    The thing I don't like about this idea is it'd just allow everyone to undo all their mistakes, whether as a result of the coronavirus stoppage or not. Just every single mistake you made - go ahead and undo it. I really don't like that concept at all and I do think it definitely punishes the players who started strong because it'll more or less put everyone on a level playing field.

    For the record, I started like a smashed ballsack and I think I was well in the 3000s or something, so I'm not saying this as a good starter. I started woefully, even if I liked my team. I just don't like the idea of letting everyone make their team all nice and perfect (including me) for the resumption of play. Don't like it one bit. Sad
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    Post by Clack Bocks on Fri May 01, 2020 7:59 pm

    Or just wipe all teams out and start again?
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    Post by easytiger on Fri May 01, 2020 8:00 pm

    @nxoc39 wrote:

    I mean congrats on starting the season well but even with my 2 trades I can't field 17 players for next round

    Is there even an argument to stand on against unlimited trades? Your salary cap would be dictated on how well you started the season so the good players aren't getting punished and players who started poorly aren't being rewarded, and it's not like only poor players can select these low BE high value players, literally everybody would be able to. It's exactly like team selection before round 1 isn't it?

    I think it isn't even remotely like team selection for round one. Fantasy has had a reset season before where they wiped the first couple of rounds (due to issues with the fantasy platform from memory). The selection for reboot provided so much more information than you get going in to round one.

    In terms of players you have mentioned:
    - Watkins - I have him too. Sometimes layers leave/exit for personal/compassionate reasons (e.g Ash Taylor) - you just have to deal.
    - Walters - always had tenuous JS. I have him too, seemed a good chance to be an outer if we hadn't had a break anyway.
    - Kennedy - again, questionable JS. Moylan/Dugan I think both had potential at some point to be back for R3.
    - Fifita - I'll add this one. Couldn't forsee the injury surgery, but injuries usually happen without warning. I have him...
    - A number of my selections were based around Origin and byes as well - so this is hardly ideal for my team, nevertheless, I still hold that unlimited trades is absurd, but hope for it if you will, can't see it happening.
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    Post by Milchcow on Fri May 01, 2020 8:08 pm

    @Teeth Eater wrote:

    The thing I don't like about this idea is it'd just allow everyone to undo all their mistakes, whether as a result of the coronavirus stoppage or not. Just every single mistake you made - go ahead and undo it. I really don't like that concept at all and I do think it definitely punishes the players who started strong because it'll more or less put everyone on a level playing field.

    yeah, unlimited trades is a tough thing for the people that actually started the season well and everyone just gets to go back to the pack.

    I think 4 trades is good, everyone will have some fires to put out caused as much by the extended lockout as by poor decisions/injury, so lets people get themselves a team together without punishing those who have a good team.
    I just don't think its in the interest of the comp to have too many people unable to field 17 for the next round - as it will just make people lose interest and not rejoin the comp
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    Post by nxoc39 on Fri May 01, 2020 8:26 pm

    @easytiger wrote:

    I think it isn't even remotely like team selection for round one. Fantasy has had a reset season before where they wiped the first couple of rounds (due to issues with the fantasy platform from memory). The selection for reboot provided so much more information than you get going in to round one.

    In terms of players you have mentioned:
    - Watkins - I have him too. Sometimes layers leave/exit for personal/compassionate reasons (e.g Ash Taylor) - you just have to deal.
    - Walters - always had tenuous JS. I have him too, seemed a good chance to be an outer if we hadn't had a break anyway.
    - Kennedy - again, questionable JS. Moylan/Dugan I think both had potential at some point to be back for R3.
    - Fifita - I'll add this one. Couldn't forsee the injury surgery, but injuries usually happen without warning. I have him...
    - A number of my selections were based around Origin and byes as well - so this is hardly ideal for my team, nevertheless, I still hold that unlimited trades is absurd, but hope for it if you will, can't see it happening.

    I respectfully disagree with the point about questionable job security, how many cashies have proven to be quality in the last few years despite questionable job security? Especially Kennedy with 2 guys with bad injury history ruled out and the sharks backline in tatters he was due for some game time until round 5-7, plus Walters was expected to play in the halves until Brooks returned, but now will either be on the bench or won't play at all. And Watkins left on compassionate grounds yes, but to return to the UK to see his father. Who contracted coronavirus. Which is why the season was suspended.

    The good players will still rise to the top regardless, my rank isn't gonna go from 30k to top 100 because I have unlimited trades but at least I'll enjoy the rest of the season a hell of a lot more because I play for fun, not to win $750 worth of KFC vouchers (seriously if you play fantasy for the prizes you are wack)
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    Post by Milchcow on Fri May 01, 2020 8:26 pm

    I'll be honest

    If I have Fifita, Cleary, Ponga, Stimson, Watkins, Kennedy (maybe Walters too) unavailable for round 3 and only 2 trades, I'll probably not bother restarting and just concentrate on the community team


    I don't want unlimited trades, just more than 2
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    Post by Teeth Eater on Fri May 01, 2020 8:45 pm

    @Milchcow wrote:

    yeah, unlimited trades is a tough thing for the people that actually started the season well and everyone just gets to go back to the pack.

    I think 4 trades is good, everyone will have some fires to put out caused as much by the extended lockout as by poor decisions/injury, so lets people get themselves a team together without punishing those who have a good team.
    I just don't think its in the interest of the comp to have too many people unable to field 17 for the next round - as it will just make people lose interest and not rejoin the comp

    To be honest I think 4 trades to start is the most likely scenario and one I think I could be talked into.

    It benefits those teams with several issues that need urgent attention in allowing them to fix all issues in one go.

    But, it also benefits the "better" teams with fewer issues in that it gives them a couple of extra trades to bank for later in the season if they don't want/need to make many changes. Everyone loves extra trades.

    Yeah, I reckon you could talk me into this method of resumption.
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    Post by Welshy on Fri May 01, 2020 8:48 pm

    However the comp starts or restarts I’m not really bothered, as long as it does! If it doesn’t I know the god king Milch will run a legends fantasy comp like the 2006 version!
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    Post by GreenMachine on Fri May 01, 2020 8:51 pm

    @multiple.scoregasms wrote:

    I still back my no Haas call. I just shouldn't have gone with Cook as his replacement

    I’ll give you a pass on the bad judge rating Smile

    Haas is 10pts shy of those other 2 so quite right. I went Cook over TLolo but insta corrected

    Haas 100% will hurt long run as his effective ownership percentage will be much higher due to captaincies

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