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    Post by Iron Mike on Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:03 pm

    Just had a quick look through prices and jotted a few names down to create some discussion:

    My obvious picks:

    Payne Haas - 13 points better than next best prop - is he a must? I would say yes.
    Ryan James - priced at 34 - I think he is very good value
    Blayke Brailey - has to be in your side as looks to be starting hooker
    Ryan Papenhuyzen - will be in every serious side I would have thought on back of 60+ starting average
    Jamayne Isaako - looks good value if starting fullback/gk
    Zac Lomax - looks good value if starting fullback/gk

    Near base price halves if starting

    Jarome Luai
    Phoenix Crossland
    Billy Walters

    Hookers:

    Sam Verills
    Reece Robson
    Brandon Smith
    Jeremy Marshall-King

    Props:

    Moeaki Fotuaika
    Herman Ese'ese
    Moses Leota
    Thomas Mikaele

    Second Rowers/Locks:

    David Fifita
    Nat Butcher
    Jack Williams
    Joe Stimson
    Luciano Leilua
    Joseph Tapine
    Aidan Guerra
    Jaydn Su'a
    Jackson Ford

    Other Halves:

    Kyle Flanagan
    Ash Taylor
    George Williams

    Backs:
    Kotoni Staggs
    Billy Smith
    Alexander Brimson
    Nick Cotric
    Dylan Edwards

    Apologies for long post!



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    Post by Fortitude on Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:19 pm

    Joseph Trapine can cram it. He is on top of the never again list
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    Post by No Worries on Mon Dec 09, 2019 3:36 pm

    Regardless of your preference and the fact they are likely to be cheaper before they get more expensive, you can't risk not starting without Haasta La Vista or Big Pappy pump. Isaako can choke on a dead dingoes donga after being my POD at the start of last year. Ba Larky will be everyone's res hooker because you will be only able to afford one of CS9, Cook McInnes. If Balters (too early ?) starts he will be at hooker also but be listed as a HLF so that will provide a nice loop option. There I've said it before the season has started. Looking down the list after that you're just going for length and a long post isn't always best. A short one that hits the mark can be even better if you know what you're doing. The only other name jumping out is staggs
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    Post by Camo123 on Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:04 pm

    @Iron Mike wrote:Just had a quick look through prices and jotted a few names down to create some discussion:

    My obvious picks:

    Payne Haas - 13 points better than next best prop - is he a must? I would say yes.
    Ryan James - priced at 34 - I think he is very good value
    Blayke Brailey - has to be in your side as looks to be starting hooker
    Ryan Papenhuyzen - will be in every serious side I would have thought on back of 60+ starting average
    Jamayne Isaako - looks good value if starting fullback/gk
    Zac Lomax - looks good value if starting fullback/gk

    Yes to all these

    Near base price halves if starting

    Jarome Luai
    Phoenix Crossland
    Billy Walters

    yes, slightly unsure if Walters will start at HOK though

    Hookers:

    Sam Verills Friend probably still ahead of him
    Reece Robson should be starting but Paul Green is stubborn and will probably persist with Granville
    Brandon Smith probably still interchange middle
    Jeremy Marshall-King definitely undervalued if 80 min HOK, is undergoing surgery in off season though

    Props:

    Moeaki Fotuaika wouldn't want him in addition to James
    Herman Ese'ese unsure of start with new coach
    Moses Leota Looks like a trap off 2019 scores, probably won't even start with Panthers stacked pack
    Thomas Mikaele less stacked Tigers pack but still not certain of start and 2019 scores nothing promising

    Second Rowers/Locks:

    David Fifita looks great option
    Nat Butcher definitely unlikely to start behind Cordner/Aubusson/Crichton - if he moves club he would be great
    Jack Williams yes if starter over Magoulias
    Joe Stimson slightly concerned about him with Dogs numerous 2RFs
    Luciano Leilua few question marks but looks decent option
    Joseph Tapine solid option but stacked pack
    Aidan Guerra new coach but unsure of start with Barnett/Fitzgibbon
    Jaydn Su'a definite yes
    Jackson Ford doubt he'll start with Frizell/Sims/Merrin likely ahead of him

    Other Halves:

    Kyle Flanagan under pressure replacing Cronk, think Keary will take most responsibilities
    Ash Taylor 3 scores under 20 in 80 mins in 2019, new coach may pressure place with T Boyd
    George Williams largely depends on price, but highlights show him more as running HLF so could be problem with Wighton

    Backs:
    Kotoni Staggs kinda needs a try to get a good score, lot of other Broncos relevant may mean better to spread options
    Billy Smith nope not for me, priced at 450k+ for 2 games each with tries, Latrell not even guaranteed to leave
    Alexander Brimson am interested in him but early games are horrendous with 3 of 4 prelim finalists in first 5 rounds
    Nick Cotric playing wing, would likely need tries
    Dylan Edwards potential is there but WTF happened at the start of 2019

    Apologies for long post!




    My thoughts on these, though obviously these are just one person's opinion and you are free to pick anyone you like

    Key players IMO not mentioned here would be Cleary (averages 75.5 without Maloney in 4 games throughout 2019/2018, will be taking on added responsibility + GK); Friend (if playing 80 massively undervalued based on 2019 scores, though Verills is mentioned); Bradman Best (should be guaranteed CTR/wing spot for Knights and priced under 300k)

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    Post by StormTrooper96 on Mon Dec 09, 2019 5:43 pm

    @Camo123 wrote:

    My thoughts on these, though obviously these are just one person's opinion and you are free to pick anyone you like

    Key players IMO not mentioned here would be Cleary (averages 75.5 without Maloney in 4 games throughout 2019/2018, will be taking on added responsibility + GK); Friend (if playing 80 massively undervalued based on 2019 scores, though Verills is mentioned); Bradman Best (should be guaranteed CTR/wing spot for Knights and priced under 300k)


    These are the names I can kind of think of. I tried going through the list but got bored.

    A Fifi – Could be PODdish? Few games last year he got injured or came off the bench. No Prior or Gallen. He will need to step up! Priced at about 53. Could be a few points under done. Probably better of paying premium for Haas and hoping Fifi drops in cash.

    This also brings Hamlin-Uele into consideration as he will probably step up… or Woodsy.

    Whoever gets the nod as the Manly Hooker?
    The whole Rabbits pack (except Murray) will pretty much be reshuffled and somewhat fantasy relevant. This includes Lowe, S’ua, Knight.
    The Cows second row spot – Wright, Dunn, Hess.
    Sharks FB? Unless he is made of glass.
    CHT – Another year of pre-season, more chances to make a relationship with Green. Is Niko off the bench?
    Capewell? Does he find a spot? Probably full time Centre? Piss Naden off?
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    Post by Iron Mike on Tue Dec 10, 2019 6:59 am

    @Camo123 wrote:

    My thoughts on these, though obviously these are just one person's opinion and you are free to pick anyone you like

    Key players IMO not mentioned here would be Cleary (averages 75.5 without Maloney in 4 games throughout 2019/2018, will be taking on added responsibility + GK); Friend (if playing 80 massively undervalued based on 2019 scores, though Verills is mentioned); Bradman Best (should be guaranteed CTR/wing spot for Knights and priced under 300k)


    Cleary is a lock for me, just was trying to point out must haves like Haas and obvious value players. Then start a discussion in regards to some potential value mid priced players. As it turns out, too much post for some people.
    You could make a case for starting with Cleary or DCE, but Haas should average at least 10 points better than next best prop.
    I wouldn't touch Friend as too many questions re injuries, minutes and Verrills is a good young player.
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    Post by Camo123 on Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:33 am

    @Iron Mike wrote:

    Cleary is a lock for me, just was trying to point out must haves like Haas and obvious value players. Then start a discussion in regards to some potential value mid priced players. As it turns out, too much post for some people.
    You could make a case for starting with Cleary or DCE, but Haas should average at least 10 points better than next best prop.
    I wouldn't touch Friend as too many questions re injuries, minutes and Verrills is a good young player.

    I don't know how extensive your plans are but it honestly looks pretty easy to fit in a few gun players into a 9.6m salary cap, with knowledge shown in the predicted prices thread that ownership numbers in 2019 may impact starting prices as a few of mentioned players had low ownership but will benefit from role/player changes.

    Also I could have sworn I saw something about the salary cap rising 200k each year until 2021 or something like that but don't quote me on this. However if it is true, and the fantasy salary cap is 9.8m it would make it even easier to fit in multiple guns into a squad
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    Post by Milchcow on Tue Dec 10, 2019 7:53 am

    If they raise the (fantasy) salary cap, they will raise player prices roughly in line with that.
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    Post by multiple.scoregasms on Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:04 am

    I won't be starting with Haas and will be a toss up for if I start with Papenhuyzen

    Haas had no games at low minutes or injury affected in 2019. He is priced appropriately for his average and unlikely to fluctuate too much. I definitely see the appeal if you want him as a captaincy option

    Papenhuyzen's main attribute is speed and I see teams game planning for him more in 2020. Isn't a great ball player and line running still needs some improvement. At times was shaky defensively. Still his base will be solid with some bulk run metres, has significant upside and will be in close to 60% of teams. It would take a brave man to leave him out
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    Post by Iron Mike on Tue Dec 10, 2019 8:34 am

    @multiple.scoregasms wrote:I won't be starting with Haas and will be a toss up for if I start with Papenhuyzen

    Haas had no games at low minutes or injury affected in 2019. He is priced appropriately for his average and unlikely to fluctuate too much. I definitely see the appeal if you want him as a captaincy option

    Papenhuyzen's main attribute is speed and I see teams game planning for him more in 2020. Isn't a great ball player and line running still needs some improvement. At times was shaky defensively. Still his base will be solid with some bulk run metres, has significant upside and will be in close to 60% of teams. It would take a brave man to leave him out

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    Post by my tv broke on Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:05 am

    I am not as sold on Papenhuyzen as most, I tend to agree with MS on him. I'd probably go with him as a luxury choice, but I imagine he will be squeezed out of my team.

    Haas is really hard to ignore. He did get alot of junk TB's in 2019 because our attack had no idea and would default to "give it to Haas / give it to Fifita". Will be interesting to see how that plays out in 2020 I guess. Aside from that, his output will continue to be immense, one would think.

    Cleary is probably a lock for me, and I think McInnes will be my starting 9, but there is alot of opportunity around hooker.

    I think I say the same thing every pre-season, but this season looks to be throwing up a lot of potential money makers.
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    Post by StormTrooper96 on Tue Dec 10, 2019 9:46 am

    @my tv broke wrote:I am not as sold on Papenhuyzen as most, I tend to agree with MS on him. I'd probably go with him as a luxury choice, but I imagine he will be squeezed out of my team.

    Haas is really hard to ignore. He did get alot of junk TB's in 2019 because our attack had no idea and would default to "give it to Haas / give it to Fifita". Will be interesting to see how that plays out in 2020 I guess. Aside from that, his output will continue to be immense, one would think.

    Cleary is probably a lock for me, and I think McInnes will be my starting 9, but there is alot of opportunity around hooker.

    I think I say the same thing every pre-season, but this season looks to be throwing up a lot of potential money makers.

    I think in seasons past the money has been around the cheapies (Kikau, RFM, Sivo, Haas). I think this year, a lot of value can be found in mid priced gems with all of the movement we had within teams this year and a lot of players who may have been sharing loads will now be tasked to take the full load Wink if you know what i mean
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    Post by Milchcow on Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:55 am


    Haas is probably going to be priced at an average of close to 70.

    Just don't see the value. He'll have to average close to 80 over the first month in order to rise significantly in price. As MS said, he doesn't have a single injury/low minute score to drop his starting price. Better off IMO saving the cash and getting someone who will rise in price and bring in Haas once you've made some cash.
    Only exception is if you think he will average significant;y better than the next best player, in which case grab him as captain.

    Papenhuyzen's scoring is going to drop off for sure, but he is probably still cheap enough to get into my team.
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    Post by Milchcow on Tue Dec 10, 2019 10:57 am


    Booze's brothel approach of getting tonnes of hookers looks like it will be viable again next year. So much change in hooking ranks that there has to be value around.
    Just have to hope that pre-season gives us some clarity around what everyone's roles are going to be so we grab the Reed Mahoneys and not the Scott Moores
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    Post by Iron Mike on Tue Dec 10, 2019 11:26 am

    Milchy wrote:
    Haas is probably going to be priced at an average of close to 70.

    Just don't see the value. He'll have to average close to 80 over the first month in order to rise significantly in price. As MS said, he doesn't have a single injury/low minute score to drop his starting price. Better off IMO saving the cash and getting someone who will rise in price and bring in Haas once you've made some cash.
    Only exception is if you think he will average significant;y better than the next best player, in which case grab him as captain.

    Papenhuyzen's scoring is going to drop off for sure, but he is probably still cheap enough to get into my team.

    I see the argument here for not having Haas. There is no value. It will be like starting with Cook last year, scoring below his previous years average but still a good captain option, you save a trade and that's about it.
    My argument for having him is he averaged 13 points better than anyone else in same position. Teddy, 5 more than Milford and 8 more than RTS. Bateman and Nikora won't be available as centres.
    Smith, McInnes and Cook average 63. Taumololo 62. Not anyone else to consider as captain unless you want to be changing regularly.
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    Post by White Lightning on Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:28 pm

    Re Haas I can see the value argument but he's going to be in most teams in round 1 & will be captained so if he goes large then those without him could be on the back foot from the start then they have to burn trades to get him in. I think tactically it will be better to pick him from the start as a safeguard.
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    Post by Milchcow on Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:53 pm


    Depends how many cheapies turn up.

    Haas is going to eat up a tonne of cap space, so depending on what cheapies are viable you may be weakening yourself too much elsewhere to fit him in (especially if you have all the other "must have" players too)
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    Post by White Lightning on Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:00 pm

    Just read this on nrlscaddicts - one of leagues biggest names in the last 20 years who is retired is facing serious drugs supply charges. He was granted name suppression & was arrested last week & appeared in court before being granted bail. But he will be back before the court soon & is likely to be outed......lots of speculation with Lockyer & Sailor being mentioned in comments.
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    Post by surmo13 on Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:22 pm

    @White Lightning wrote:Just read this on nrlscaddicts - one of leagues biggest names in the last 20 years who is retired is facing serious drugs supply charges. He was granted name suppression & was arrested last week & appeared in court before being granted bail. But he will be back before the court soon & is likely to be outed......lots of speculation with Lockyer & Sailor being mentioned in comments.

    pretty sure that's a bunch of wishful thinking from people that want 'revenge' for Joey being caught, It would be a hell of a co-incidence if it wasn't related to a news article last week that spoke of a 'high-profile sports star' under name suppression, who was remanded on bail after facing a New Zealand court for meth supply charges...
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    Post by my tv broke on Tue Dec 10, 2019 4:47 pm

    From what I have read it is neither of those players. As mentioned above, ex New Zealand player.

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