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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Shanbon on Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:04 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    You seem to be under the impression that "loyalty" means that a position for life. It's a spot in the most successful representative football team in modern history, not a supreme court justice.


    Thats an incorrect statement the Womens team won 15 in a row. Then theres the All blacks, the De La Salle football team (unbeaten over 10 years and 150 games)



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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Shanbon on Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:07 pm

    If NSW win again next year then they will have won 3 of the past 14 series, which is the same as QLD had won in the previous 14 series (92-2005)
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Pieman on Wed Jul 04, 2018 5:48 pm

    @dasherhalo wrote:Yeah, you probably need a few more wins before you learn how to win graciously. We had a fair bit of practice at it, to be fair.

    You could mount a case for it simply being a new coach, therefore new rules? I mean - Mal stuck with the guys that embarrassed you for a decade or so, so maybe Kevvie isn't drinking from the same cool-aid?


    that comment tells me how good you are at it... nice!!

    and again, im not talking about NSW winning or losing. Im talking about the QLD loyalty myth.
    Kevvie himself has harped on about it.

    Mal stuck with some of the greatest players to ever play the game, geez that must have been tough!
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by dasherhalo on Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:16 pm

    @Krump wrote:
    Very graciously said Laugh 3

    You like it? It's like Inception-level irony.

    Nearly sprained my shoulder patting myself on the back. Some sage advice, in an insult wrapped in a sledge

    lol. but hey - as long as we can all laugh at ourselves! Cheers
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by dasherhalo on Wed Jul 04, 2018 6:31 pm

    @Shanbon wrote:If NSW win again next year then they will have won 3 of the past 14 series, which is the same as QLD had won in the previous 14 series (92-2005)
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    3 types of lies, aren't there???

    Just to be clear, are you saying NSW won 11 or 14??
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Shanbon on Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:04 pm

    @dasherhalo wrote:

    3 types of lies, aren't there???

    Just to be clear, are you saying NSW won 11 or 14??

    NSW won 9 series from 92-05, QLD 3
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by ryno_ on Wed Jul 04, 2018 8:08 pm

    @Shanbon wrote:

    Thats an incorrect statement the Womens team won 15 in a row. Then theres the All blacks, the De La Salle football team (unbeaten over 10 years and 150 games)


    Never heard of her.

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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Ice on Wed Jul 04, 2018 10:56 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    Because the facts show that, historically, a winning NSW side makes as many changes as a losing QLD side does, while a winning QLD side picks players who are barely out of reserve grade, based on loyalty to the job they'd done previously. Look at the data from the last NSW 3 series streak, both teams used the name number of players +/-1 over that 3 years. Sure, its a while ago, but when it comes to NSW winning streaks all we have is historical data to go by - no modern information exists.

    The facts show that the selectors of both teams choose the best side they think they have to win the next game based on all manner of reasons and if you think the amount of changes or lack there of somehow proves some theory about one state being more loyal than another then you're off your trolley.

    The facts are for the last 13 odd years Qld have done it better as they've had a far superior spine to work around, simples.

    Now they don't, and they'll make changes and series will be won by both states more often as the difference in the spines is not nearly as much as it was.
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by dasherhalo on Thu Jul 05, 2018 8:47 am

    @Shanbon wrote:

    NSW won 9 series from 92-05, QLD 3

    Yeah - basically the same. How'd that eye surgery go?

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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Krump on Thu Jul 05, 2018 9:05 am

    QLDers make the best historians, probably because they live there.
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by dasherhalo on Thu Jul 05, 2018 5:07 pm

    @Krump wrote:QLDers make the best historians, probably because they live there.

    I love the banter. Now, as I'm nice bloke, and that isn't up to your normally high standard, did you want a free do-over?

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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Krump on Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:02 am

    @dasherhalo wrote:

    I love the banter. Now, as I'm nice bloke, and that isn't up to your normally high standard, did you want a free do-over?

    It's out there now so I'll just have to live with it. The happiness of a series win has probably taken the edge off my wit.
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by dasherhalo on Fri Jul 06, 2018 4:19 pm

    Quality. Smile
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by No Worries on Wed Jul 11, 2018 10:05 pm

    Chrichton seems out of his element at this level
    Peachy wo wo what is he good for ?
    Sims play for the two heads like your brother
    Interesting comment by Fittler that Cleary is too quiet
    Where was Jimmy Jet all series in an attacking side ?

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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Ice on Sat Jul 14, 2018 6:12 pm

    @No Worries wrote:Chrichton seems out of his element at this level
    Peachy wo wo what is he good for ?
    Sims play for the two heads like your brother
    Interesting comment by Fittler that Cleary is too quiet
    Where was Jimmy Jet all series in an attacking side ?

    I honestly think we need a guy like a Nathan Brown over Angus. He just runs the ball harder, hits harder, and I think is a better ball player also.

    Sometimes I just wonder, if say Crighton or Cordner was at the Eels, and Brown was playing like he does for us at the Roosters, who might be in the side? At Souths Brown was known as a bit of a grub, but he has shown no signs of that at the Eels. I honestly down think either of those guys make the Eels better in place of Brown.
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Pieman on Mon Jul 16, 2018 2:04 pm

    @Ice wrote:

    I honestly think we need a guy like a Nathan Brown over Angus. He just runs the ball harder, hits harder, and I think is a better ball player also.

    Sometimes I just wonder, if say Crighton or Cordner was at the Eels, and Brown was playing like he does for us at the Roosters, who might be in the side? At Souths Brown was known as a bit of a grub, but he has shown no signs of that at the Eels. I honestly down think either of those guys make the Eels better in place of Brown.

    Brown is a middle and you arent picking him over JTrbo, Klemmer, RCG, JDB, Vaughn, and Friz who they use in the middle for some reason.
    I agree that Crichton looked a bit off out there, I personally thought he got way too much game time in all 3 games with very little impact, AND he fucked up on the non draw and pass.

    If crichton doesnt build off his season this year - you would still give him a game 1 next year - I would be looking elsewhere in Game 2. It wouldnt be at nathan brown as a direct replacement, because he is a middle, not an edge player.

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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Ice on Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:48 pm

    Middle, edge, it's like halves playing exclusively on one side, I'm so over it. It's just dumb coaching fullstop for mine. Cordner is an edge, Crighton is an edge, what did they do on the edges that Brown couldn't have done?

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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Ice on Mon Jul 16, 2018 4:53 pm

    I'm gonna give a shout out to Freddy here,not cause I think he got every decision right, but the way he conducted himself right from the get go was more open and transparent than any Origin coach we have seen before. With players, fans, and media alike. He was an absolute breath of fresh air.

    I know a few people have bagged him out for his mid-game chat, but I think it was superb access for the fans, to see what a coach was thinking and feeling and hearing it directly from him. To see him after the contest readily acknowledge what he thought were some of his failings. I don't care what side of the border you are on, Fittler in this series has taken open, honest coach access to a level we haven't seen before.

    Can you imagine some of the dinosaurs we having at the helm of some teams being so open and willing to try and share those sorts of experiences with the fans.

    He is unlikely to have the Origin success Mal had with his once in a generation spine, but Well done Freddy, proved many people wrong I think this series.
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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by dasherhalo on Mon Jul 16, 2018 5:46 pm

    Yeah, good on him.

    I give him 9/10 as a first year effort. Came across as a bit butt-hurt in the presser after Game 3 when he didn't have to, but apart from that, conducted himself with poise.

    Playing Devils' Advocate for a sec, though, how pissed off are all the other ex-NSW coaches, given Freddie got handed the retirement of Cronk, JT and Cam Smith?

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    Re: NSW Origin side 2018

    Post by Ice on Mon Jul 16, 2018 8:50 pm

    @dasherhalo wrote:Yeah, good on him.

    I give him 9/10 as a first year effort. Came across as a bit butt-hurt in the presser after Game 3 when he didn't have to, but apart from that, conducted himself with poise.

    Playing Devils' Advocate for a sec, though, how pissed off are all the other ex-NSW coaches, given Freddie got handed the retirement of Cronk, JT and Cam Smith?

    About as pissed of as the Qld coaches that didn't get the luxury of those same players and Lockyer I'd say.

    He still managed to take one of if not the most inexperienced Origin sides to a series victory against a team full of experience.

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