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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Wed Apr 26, 2017 11:18 pm

    Dip wrote:2 games Hayne played in 2014 are the reason Daley still has a job. He'll be in every team Daley has a say in selecting for the rest of his life.

    Doesn't explain why he'll pick Pearce though (which he will).

    I suspect Pearce will get selected on the basis of being a gun player that also happens to be the best halfback in NSW....

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by leaguegod on Thu Apr 27, 2017 8:00 am

    my team is a mix of having guys daley will 100% pick (eg fergo) with me slotting in guys for the up in the air decisions

    1. teddy
    2. fergo
    3. Dugan
    4. Hayne
    5. Roberts - in much better form this year imo, i'm all aboard
    6. Maloney - i will cry if moylan is picked here
    7. Pearce
    8. Woods
    9. Peats/wallace - peats was strong against the sharks, if he stays healthy, i jump from wallace to peats: this can't be farah
    10. Klemmer
    11 Cordner
    12. Jackson - i'm the only jackson fan on this site but his form is as good as always, daley likes him, so does sterlo and he won the fittler medal last year. you may not like ti but he will be there
    13 Frizz - could be on the bench but probs starts

    14. Graham
    15. J Bird
    16. Jake T/JDB/Finucane -
    17. Paulo - Vaughn is playing well too so worth a shout but i think paulo would be awesome off the bench

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by leaguegod on Wed May 03, 2017 8:32 am

    with woods gone, i think the pack mostly picks it self out side of one bench spot (not including hooker which is a lottery atm

    i'm fairly certain all of these guys will be picked

    starting props Klem & Fifita
    Starting edge Cordner & Jackson
    Lock Friz

    Utility Bird
    Bench Edge Graham
    Bench Middle Jake T

    last spot should be another middle, i think options would include

    Vaughn
    James
    Paulo
    Boyd
    Finucane
    JDB
    Jordan Mclean
    Merrin
    Tamou


    for me it comes down to paulo & Vaughn and i'd rather paulo, been in great form, certain to make an impact when he gets on. this last spot probably plays 30 mins at most, so i think we're looking for size, impact and form, paulo will bring all that.


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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 9:15 am

    Haven't read all posts but here is my current take on what I think are the two biggest selections.

    I'll start with the most controversial, Mitchell Pearce and I'll ask this question. If he'd never been picked for Origin before, never got it on with a dog and was named Mitchell Smith, at 28, only a year older than Cronk was when he first played Origin, as a premiership winner and the form NSW half in the comp,would anyone here seriously be saying he shouldn't be picked or wasn't ready for Origin? He was thrown to the wolves, the best Qld sides EVER, waaaaaay to early. That was not his fault. Personally, I don't like the guy, but i can't argue he isn't one of the better halves options NSW currently have and if he now finally IS ready, then even if we don't win the series, I couldn't blame Los and Sterling for giving him his crack.

    I did read earlier in this thread someone say if Hayne is selected in the 1 they would change allegiance. That person should give themselves an uppercut. 1 series victory in 11 year and the only series I that time where our best player was selected in his best position. For years he was bumped to wing and centre cause of his versatility for less skillfull, less freakish less versatile players and if cost us series victories.  So if we were to pick him in the No1 again,all the evidence suggests he would aim up and we would win the series, so not sure why anyone would be wanting to jump off that. Having said all that,I concede that he isn't yet back to his best and Teddy deserves to keep the number 1 jersey,  but if Hayne isn't in the team, you can forget a series win.

    The Captaincy is the other thing now we have fi ally rid ourselves of Gallen. I strongly believe it should NOT be a forward who isn't on the park for the full 80 or at least 60+ So that rules out Woods (plus he is injured) I don't think Farah should be there this year so it shouldn't be him.

    Cordner has been touted, but I personally would go for Graham and he'd play the full 80 at lock. Otherwise, you have to go for a back, who is a definite member for years to come. Teddy, Moylan, Maloney, Pearce......I'm not sure who of those will be there for the next 3+ years or who is ready to captain. If we throw our hat in the Moylan at 6 basket, which I'm not against, then he is the guy for mine. Regardless, I think this one is going to divide many people and I eagerly await the decision as there is simply no clear standout.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Shanbon on Wed May 10, 2017 10:00 am

    I dont think we are any chance of getting this team but this is what it should be.

    Tedesco
    TTurbo
    Hayne
    Dugan
    Fergusson
    Maloney
    Reynolds
    JTurbo
    Peats
    Boyd
    Cordner
    Jackson
    Frizell

    Cook
    Klemmer
    Fifita
    WGraham

    I dont really want Fergo but Mansour not ready yet (open to the Idea of Bird to centre Hayne to wing). Dugan and Hayne are both big and very good defensively but also add more then most in attack. I cant go back to Pearce i dont care if people think he played Origin too early, whats his excuse since then??? Some guys are just good club players who cant step up to the next level. Farah misses out for obvious reasons, i went with the 2 hooker combo as i have for many years, NSW dont have the best hooker ever so stop trying to shoe horn an 80min guy in there, very very few players over the 30+ Origin years can play 80min in the middle and do it well the whole time. With enough versatility in the 17 no need for utility just play 2 damn hookers!!! I went with 2 big metre eater front rowers early before you can bring on the impact in Klemmer and Fifita. The backrowers pick themeselves.


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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by leaguegod on Wed May 10, 2017 10:02 am

    could agree with everything you said (tho i don't see graham playing 80 for NSW) until you had moylan as captain...yuck

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by leaguegod on Wed May 10, 2017 10:04 am

    Shanbon wrote:I dont think we are any chance of getting this team but this is what it should be.

    Tedesco
    TTurbo
    Hayne
    Dugan
    Fergusson
    Maloney
    Reynolds
    JTurbo
    Peats
    Boyd
    Cordner
    Jackson
    Frizell

    Cook
    Klemmer
    Fifita
    WGraham

    I dont really want Fergo but Mansour not ready yet (open to the Idea of Bird to centre Hayne to wing). Dugan and Hayne are both big and very good defensively but also add more then most in attack. I cant go back to Pearce i dont care if people think he played Origin too early, whats his excuse since then??? Some guys are just good club players who cant step up to the next level. Farah misses out for obvious reasons, i went with the 2 hooker combo as i have for many years, NSW dont have the best hooker ever so stop trying to shoe horn an 80min guy in there, very very few players over the 30+ Origin years can play 80min in the middle and do it well the whole time. With enough versatility in the 17 no need for utility just play 2 damn hookers!!! I went with 2 big metre eater front rowers early before you can bring on the impact in Klemmer and Fifita. The backrowers pick themeselves.



    don't want fergo either, but its pretty much a lock so we may aswell get used to it lol has performed well in rep teams too

    i can get behind a peats/cook combo

    i don't like shannon boyd, i'd rather either paulo or even go with form in paul vaughn and would probs start both klem and fifita but otherwise i like this team

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 4:02 pm

    Shanbon wrote:I dont think we are any chance of getting this team but this is what it should be.

    Tedesco
    TTurbo
    Hayne
    Dugan
    Fergusson
    Maloney
    Reynolds
    JTurbo
    Peats
    Boyd
    Cordner
    Jackson
    Frizell

    Cook
    Klemmer
    Fifita
    WGraham

    I dont really want Fergo but Mansour not ready yet (open to the Idea of Bird to centre Hayne to wing). Dugan and Hayne are both big and very good defensively but also add more then most in attack. I cant go back to Pearce i dont care if people think he played Origin too early, whats his excuse since then??? Some guys are just good club players who cant step up to the next level. Farah misses out for obvious reasons, i went with the 2 hooker combo as i have for many years, NSW dont have the best hooker ever so stop trying to shoe horn an 80min guy in there, very very few players over the 30+ Origin years can play 80min in the middle and do it well the whole time. With enough versatility in the 17 no need for utility just play 2 damn hookers!!! I went with 2 big metre eater front rowers early before you can bring on the impact in Klemmer and Fifita. The backrowers pick themeselves.


    Pearce's excuse since then is until now, it has still been too early, just like Cronk didn't get a start till 27/28 and it came from the bench. Fergo I don't rate but at Origin level he has been solid so I can cop it. We have always seen eye to eye on the 2 hooker thing, I'm just not convinced about Cook andthink there are a couple of other that could fill the hooker role well bit also cover other areas if need be and are more dynamic than Cook even in the hooker position in my view, namely Peachey.

    I think your team I still relatively close to what Loz will have save for a few variables and I don't think Reynolds is any chance, and I'm totally fine with that, I'd take CWalker before Reynolds.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 4:05 pm

    leaguegod wrote:could agree with everything you said (tho i don't see graham playing 80 for NSW) until you had moylan as captain...yuck

    I think he could play close to 80, certainly 70, I'd be totally comfortable with his selection as Captain.

    I don't know what it is about Moylan, in my view, there is just something about him, I may prove to be wrong long term as to his class, but that is pretty rare, but I can understand why people would disagree with me. I just don't see many other options.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by leaguegod on Wed May 10, 2017 4:23 pm

    i think cordner is more likely to play 80 then graham, i'm pretty comfortable with him as the lead candidate


    i've found my own opinion of moylan declining over time recently, just seems to have so many large quiet spells during games, throws a flukey flick pass and then everyone think he had a magic game, i just can't get on board with him at the moment, don't think he is leading penrith at all very well atm either, i couldn't have him in my 17 for NSW

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 4:31 pm

    The team Loz will pick with Sterlos influence and Woods injured but Dugan available

    1. Tedesco (der)
    2. Ferguson (done enough to not be dropped)
    3. Dugan (massive season and was BOG in test till injured)
    4. Bird (Will want to find space for him somewhere as well as Moylan and I don't think Moylan will be selected on a wing, so this happens and......
    5. Hayne (.......who must be in the side somewhere, gets bumped to the wing, doesn't see nearly enough ball, we lose and Hayne gets the blame, cause when your Hayne, it doesn't matter where you play, you are supposed to dominate the whole game)
    6. Maloney
    7. Pearce (this will be controversial but I can understand why we'd pick the most in form half in NSW)
    8. Tamou (with Woods and Gallen out they will keep him given his game for City, which in my view is totally false form, this will be a mistake)
    9. Farah (another mistake selection on the basis they needed to maintain some experience)
    10. Fifita (they can't really justify not selecting him can they
    11. Jackson (an incumbent who will force out a more dynamic option,I can understand his retention, but I just can't come at him)
    12. Cordner (c - fair enough)
    13. Graham (has to be there for mine and I think they agree)

    14.  Moylan (they want. To fit him in, as they should, so with Pearce in the halfs, this is really the only option
    15. Klemmer (they love him from the bench)
    16. Frizell (gottabethere after last years efforts, they'd be crazy to drop him now)
    17. Always the toughest spot to fill, a case can be made for any of the following:
    Boyd (Aus Rep)
    J Trbojevic (Aus Rep)
    Merrin (Aus Rep)
    James (always thereabouts)
    Paulo (form and impact and not needed for heaps of minutes)
    Vaughan (ex raider who has found a bit of form at the Saints - Weyman anyone?)
    Mannah (fastest play the ball in the comp)

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 4:32 pm

    leaguegod wrote:i think cordner is more likely to play 80 then graham, i'm pretty comfortable with him as the lead candidate


    i've found my own opinion of moylan declining over time recently, just seems to have so many large quiet spells during games, throws a flukey flick pass and then everyone think he had a magic game, i just can't get on board with him at the moment, don't think he is leading penrith at all very well atm either, i couldn't have him in my 17 for NSW

    Fair enough on both points.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 4:37 pm

    Dip wrote:

    Mitchell will end up a fantastic player, but yes you're right. Particularly when you look at the alternative options you have at wing or centre. It's not as if you're short of decent players in that position.

    Mitchell will never play for NSW or Australia, he isn't good enough now and nor will he be in the future. Plenty of potential to be a good quality NRL player just not as good as some would have you believe.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by ryno_ on Wed May 10, 2017 4:48 pm

    No love for Blake Austin in #14 from anybody?

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 5:07 pm

    My side, with a couple of selection I know people will hate and I'd have hated them myself a few years ago and even now doubt them but also feel I've matured in my thoughts. This assume Woods is out but Dugan is ok to play.

    1. Tedesco (I feel we could be repeating the mistakes of years gone by by not Plato g Hayne here as we know when he is the 1 we win, bit Teddy is an out and out FB, so I concede)
    2. TTurbo (love the guy, he has to be there, Fergo unlucky as I think he has Done well for NSW)
    3. Dugan (hate this guy, he has to be there, if he is ruled out, then Bird and Hayne are centres and Fergo keeps his wing spot)
    4. Bird (gotta be there and I think he should start
    5. Hayne (two time Brad Fittler medalist from the wing must be in the side but it could prove costly not having him touch the ball more)
    6. Moylan (was solid in game 3 last year and I just can't see a reason to drop him)
    7. Maloney (as above)
    8. Fifita (has to start, just hope he keeps the silliness out of his game)
    9. Peats (injuries have been a concern but it's time to move on from Farah and you can see the impact he has for the Titans when fit like he did for the Eels when fit, needs cover from the bench as won't p,any 80. Give him a crack,but I understand the case for Wallace. Can't come at Cook or McInnes)
    10. Klemmer (just start the nutbag)
    11. Frizell (was awesome last year, must keep his spot and I think he I still better starting than off the bench)
    12. Cordner (picks himself)
    13. Graham (a starter, not a bench man)

    14. Pearce (as Cronk was in his Origin debut, similar age, GF winning half who is excellent defensively, and at a pinch can cover hooker and halves and is in form. No, he isn't Cronk, I'm not saying that, but I think he can play this role. Alternatively,Peachey is a potential game breaker coming on for Peats or if needed covering almost any other position, I'm torn on this selection)
    15. JTurbo (the era of The Turbo bros has arrived)
    16. Paulo (give me 30 minutes max of your best minutes for the bench)
    17. James (I think he can add some real impact and solid work off the bench, he or Paulo is replaced by Klemmer on the bench when Woods returns as a starter)

    That team can give it a red hot shake.


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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 10, 2017 5:08 pm

    ryno_ wrote:No love for Blake Austin in #14 from anybody?

    None whatsoever. Absolutely overrated this guy.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Wed May 10, 2017 5:55 pm

    Ice wrote:

    Mitchell will never play for NSW or Australia, he isn't good enough now and nor will he be in the future. Plenty of potential to be a good quality NRL player just not as good as some would have you believe.

    Mitchell is clearly going to be good enough to at least play on the wing for Australia or NSW, and clearly will do it. Sooner rather than later too.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by ryno_ on Wed May 10, 2017 6:13 pm

    Pieman wrote:

    Mitchell is clearly going to be good enough to at least play on the wing for Australia or NSW, and clearly will do it. Sooner rather than later too.

    Mitchell... like Latrell? The guy who only got out of reserve grade because SKD decided the white lines at the SFS weren't enough for him? He's going to be in the Australian squad sooner rather then later? Which selector does he have nude photos of?
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Wed May 10, 2017 7:45 pm

    ryno_ wrote:

    Mitchell... like Latrell? The guy who only got out of reserve grade because SKD decided the white lines at the SFS weren't enough for him? He's going to be in the Australian squad sooner rather then later? Which selector does he have nude photos of?

    The 19 year old who killed it in his first year of first grade as an 18 year old, playing one of the hardest and most important positions on the field for the most part, the guy who started off strong but is suffering a bit of second year syndrome?
    Will he be playing for NSW and or Australia in the next couple of years?
    100% yes he will be.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Wed May 10, 2017 7:47 pm

    Ice wrote:

    None whatsoever. Absolutely overrated this guy.

    surprised you didnt chuck tim mannah in there mate

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