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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by leaguegod on Tue May 23, 2017 8:28 am

    No Worries wrote:Is Jimmy the Jet being quietly punished for indiscretions which may or may not have occurred ?

    *looks at team*

    2 Fergusson
    7 Pearce


    nah i don't think so

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Tue May 23, 2017 8:34 am

    Shanbon wrote:Peats will struggle to play 80min of origin football. Really would have liked to see a backup hooker on the bench. There's enough versatility in the other 16 blokes to cover an injury

    I would have been happy with Peachey, he can cover that role, but I don't think you can afford a straight up second hooker.

    If he needs to be spelled I'm comfy with Loz just telling Bird to get into dummy half and run, I'm even fine with Graham there for a brief spell if required. As long as they have clear instructions both can execute.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by No Worries on Tue May 23, 2017 8:36 am

    leaguegod wrote:

    *looks at team*

    2 Fergusson
    7 Pearce


    nah i don't think so

    Good point, but both of those did their time. Roberts was only the beginning of the year IIRC.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Tue May 23, 2017 8:36 am

    dasherhalo wrote:

    Bird couldn't fill that roll?


    I think we would be more likely to see Graham in hooker not bird
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by ryno_ on Tue May 23, 2017 9:10 am

    No Worries wrote:

    Good point, but both of those did their time. Roberts was only the beginning of the year IIRC.

    Fergo did his time? The cunt should have gone to jail and been barred from playing NRL again, let alone rep.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Tue May 23, 2017 9:21 am

    No Worries wrote:

    Good point, but both of those did their time. Roberts was only the beginning of the year IIRC.

    Bit off topic (other than the link between the NSW team and poor discipline) but I don't buy the praise Jesse Bromich is getting for 'coming clean' and copping his punishment.

    I like that he isn't denying it (because he can't) but FFS I've been fairly messed up many times over the years but still would know whether I've dabbled in any of Columbia's finest.

    To this day, the best acceptance of a fuckup for mine has been Big Dell's.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by leaguegod on Tue May 23, 2017 9:56 am

    JBrom seemed to find a way to own up to his mistake by not owning up to his mistake, media ate it up
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Tue May 23, 2017 11:28 am

    Oz Sport Mad wrote:

    Bit off topic (other than the link between the NSW team and poor discipline) but I don't buy the praise Jesse Bromich is getting for 'coming clean' and copping his punishment.

    I like that he isn't denying it (because he can't) but FFS I've been fairly messed up many times over the years but still would know whether I've dabbled in any of Columbia's finest.

    To this day, the best acceptance of a fuckup for mine has been Big Dell's.

    I mean far out.. the guy said he "couldnt remember what happened". Thats basically saying yes I did it but Im not going to say I did it. Absolute tripe. He cant remember buying it or doing it. What utter nonsense and its been eaten up by everyone. Total BS.

    Maybe he should have just taken Redbull and Stilnox eh Ozzy?

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Tue May 23, 2017 9:18 pm

    So it was interesting to note today, that though I have previsouly bagged Pearce, I was actually an advocate of his return given he is the most inform NSW half. I had say as much around these parts on the basis that he had been thrown to the wolves far too early and actually wasn't the root cause of the 11 losses he had in his first fifteen starts in Origin, he really did come up against the Qld behemoth and I judged him to early as many have also done and continue to do. I also drew a parallel with Cronk when I actually said he should come of the bench like Cronk did, also at the age of 27/28, whilst we stick with our game 3 winning combo, but I can handle they didn't go exactly that way. I think I might have even spruiked it late last year.

    So when I read today that Darren Lockyer won only 5 of his first 15 games, and it wasn't until he was 29, that Qld started there miracle run of Origin victories, and that if Hodgson hadn't made that error it was likely Locky, Price, Civo and one or two others might have been canned as it would have been four straight series losses, I thought to myself, well, there you go, Ice ahead of the pack as per usual.

    Obviously I'm not saying he will ever be Lockyer, but at 28, I really think he should be debuting in Origin, so that he has 15 games under his belt already puts him in pretty good stead and I honestly dont think we have seen his best football yet.

    Will he lead us to victory this series? I doubt it, but he is a much better suited this year than any time previously and if we can stick with him Maloney Peats and Tedesco for the next 4-5 series, I'm confident they will win a few series.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Wed May 24, 2017 8:03 am

    I have been calling for pearce on the bench for years.

    My biggest problem with his previous games for NSW is the close losses. NSW in the position to win the games and he was putting in a terrible kick or not getting the side to the right part of the field and QLD go down the other end of the park and kick a field goal and win. That was the biggest problem with him. He has also literally never had a great game in his extensive origin career.

    I think most people have agreed that he is a brilliant club level halfback when the game plan is tailored to him, just like every other halfback.

    Now, I hope he can prove everyone, including myself (not OSM though because he will have always been right about Pearce if pearce all of a sudden plays well in origin) wrong and have a blinder. I really do hope it happens. But if he cant get his shit together this series, then never pick him to start at halfback again.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by dasherhalo on Wed May 24, 2017 8:35 am

    Probably end up like Gallen. Got perennially pummeled, and jagged one series win at the ass end of his career, and now walks around like he's Clive Churchill.

    The media doesn't help Pearce. After missing something like his last 15 drop goal attempts, he finally gets one a few weeks ago, and they start crappy on about being the go-to guy in clutch situations.

    He'll probably be fine if he doesn't believe his own press, but from north of the border: no one hates the bloke. He's not good enough to hate!

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Wed May 24, 2017 10:23 am

    yeah he hadn't kicked a field goal for 8 seasons or something like that!! haha
    To be fair, this year he has been awesome, kicked a number of field goals and scored some match winning/sealing tries.

    Obv I would have preferred they stuck with Maloney and moylan as the starting halves but oh well.

    Will be very interesting to see if he does what he has always done at origin level, or if his club form translates over - finally.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Ice on Wed May 24, 2017 2:52 pm

    dasherhalo wrote:Probably end up like Gallen. Got perennially pummeled, and jagged one series win at the ass end of his career, and now walks around like he's Clive Churchill.

    The media doesn't help Pearce. After missing something like his last 15 drop goal attempts, he finally gets one a few weeks ago, and they start crappy on about being the go-to guy in clutch situations.

    He'll probably be fine if he doesn't believe his own press, but from north of the border: no one hates the bloke. He's not good enough to hate!


    There is way more upside for Pearce than Gallen, even as a NSW fan it hurts that he captained us to victory and won a GF.

    He conceivably has at least 5 more series in him, so if he can win 3 of those, he will finish with a solid Origin career.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Wed May 24, 2017 5:41 pm

    Ice wrote:

    There is way more upside for Pearce than Gallen, even as a NSW fan it hurts that he captained us to victory and won a GF.

    He conceivably has at least 5 more series in him, so if he can win 3 of those, he will finish with a solid Origin career.

    say by some miracle NSW win 3 of the next 5, how many series is that he would have won?
    3 out of what? 13? Not sure how many he has played at the moment
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by code delta on Wed May 24, 2017 7:58 pm

    Pieman wrote:

    say by some miracle NSW win 3 of the next 5, how many series is that he would have won?
    3 out of what? 13? Not sure how many he has played at the moment

    So how many series has Pearce actually played in? Pretty sure it's not as many as Gal yet.
    Miracles happen especially when it's not a miracle. JT gone after this year. Cam after next year, maybe. Cronk??
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Wed May 24, 2017 9:33 pm

    Cronk might be gone this year too.
    But still, if he wins 4/5 he would still be below 50% i think
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Krump on Thu May 25, 2017 11:47 am

    Pieman wrote:

    say by some miracle NSW win 3 of the next 5, how many series is that he would have won?
    3 out of what? 13? Not sure how many he has played at the moment
    3 of the next 5 certainly qualifies as solid no matter how many he's lost previously. Forget about blaming Pearce and have a look at the team he's been playing against, expecting him to have led the team to more victories than we've had is ridiculous.
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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Pieman on Thu May 25, 2017 3:54 pm

    Krump wrote:
    3 of the next 5 certainly qualifies as solid no matter how many he's lost previously. Forget about blaming Pearce and have a look at the team he's been playing against, expecting him to have led the team to more victories than we've had is ridiculous.

    30% wins or what ever is not solid.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Thu May 25, 2017 4:44 pm

    Pieman wrote:I have been calling for pearce on the bench for years.

    My biggest problem with his previous games for NSW is the close losses. NSW in the position to win the games and he was putting in a terrible kick or not getting the side to the right part of the field and QLD go down the other end of the park and kick a field goal and win. That was the biggest problem with him. He has also literally never had a great game in his extensive origin career.

    I think most people have agreed that he is a brilliant club level halfback when the game plan is tailored to him, just like every other halfback.

    Now, I hope he can prove everyone, including myself (not OSM though because he will have always been right about Pearce if pearce all of a sudden plays well in origin) wrong and have a blinder. I really do hope it happens. But if he cant get his shit together this series, then never pick him to start at halfback again.

    Of course I was fucking right about Pearcey you battling simpleton....not to mention every other discussion we've had over the years.

    The bloke has only played 4 series where he has played in every single game (and only two others were he was brought in partway through) and these 4 series were when QLD were at the peak of their powers.

    Timing is everything and you are not giving the credit where it's due to the QLD sides during those series.

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    Re: NSW State of Origin side 2017

    Post by Honeysett on Thu May 25, 2017 5:14 pm

    I don't think we have given enough credit to QLD over the years.

    Bill Harrigan and Shayne Hayne especially. You've done well to blood a lot of talent though with Cecchin and Sutton

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