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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by ryno_ on Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:38 am

    @Pieman wrote:

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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by No Worries on Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:18 am

    @Moose wrote:
    Haven't been keeping up to date on the news so not sure if its just a throwaway line or legit rumour.

    Regardless he delivered Souths a Premiership after a massive drought, maybe he could do the same for the Broncos who have also been through a drought of sorts.

    Throwaway line in support of my Bennett to retire at seasons end in the big call thread back in March. I've been ramping up my support for my own comment over the last week in an attempt to make it come true.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Moose on Mon Sep 25, 2017 1:04 pm

    @No Worries wrote:

    Throwaway line in support of my Bennett to retire at seasons end in the big call thread back in March. I've been ramping up my support for my own comment over the last week in an attempt to make it come true.
    Needs more hashtag. Then it will really gain momentum and Moley and The Lurker will tweet "hearing Madge to Brisbane in 2018".

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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Ice on Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:09 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    FAC is much more important to the Broncos then Smith is the Storm, purely because the supporting cast at Melbourne are more capable without him then the cast in Brisbane are without FAC.

    Thats not to say that he's better, by any stretch. But Cronk/Slater/Munster don't need any help dismantling teams on their own.

    Its the cheerleader effect - you get a bunch of 5s/6s/7s and if they lose a 7, it hurts them more then a group of 9s losing a 10.

    I'll respectfully disagree with that.not the cheerleader thing, just that FAC is more important to Broncos than Smith is to Storm.

    Out of interest what are the win percentages of the teams without each player? To that it's the be all and end all, just interested.

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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Pieman on Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:22 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    Its absolutely true. Being the best player in the game does not make you the most valuable or most important player.

    Sure, your first paragraph is correct. The team is obviously at their best with him and he is the best player in the game, probably of his generation. Goes without saying. But without him, the storm still have Cronk, Munster and Slater, plus the rest of their roster. They would still be runaway favourites.  

    Tedesco is probably the most important and most valuable player to a team in the league (at the tigers anyway) but nobody would suggest he's the best fullback in the game, let alone the best player.

    Ted is prob the second best fullback in the game consistently, on his day he is the best, no one could argue that he isnt in the top 3 at any given time. If he doesnt play, the tigers generally have no chance yep. They also generally have no chance when he does play too.

    Melbourne would still be favs without Smith, sure, but he has more influence over a game than anyone. He is the most valuable player to his team. If he doesnt play, it is a totally different game. When he missed a GF, they lost 40 nil.

    Brisbane, missing NFAC finished in (I know its just a guess) prob the same spot they would have finished whether he was playing or not. They lost a bit of defence around the ruck but besides that, the attack actually improved when he didnt play. They have more than enough talent in the starting team to pick up the slack and had excellent depth in the halves to cover.

    Totally disagree that NFAC is more valuable to brisbane than Smith is to Melbourne. Could not disagree more, regardless of how good their rosters are. I actually think that is a fcking ridiculous statement.

    NFAC is a slightly above average hooker, but he is not a special player like Smith and doesnt even come close to influencing games like Smith does.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by ryno_ on Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:29 pm

    @Pieman wrote:

    Ted is prob the second best fullback in the game consistently, on his day he is the best, no one could argue that he isnt in the top 3 at any given time. If he doesnt play, the tigers generally have no chance yep. They also generally have no chance when he does play too.

    Melbourne would still be favs without Smith, sure, but he has more influence over a game than anyone. He is the most valuable player to his team. If he doesnt play, it is a totally different game. When he missed a GF, they lost 40 nil.

    Brisbane, missing NFAC finished in (I know its just a guess) prob the same spot they would have finished whether he was playing or not. They lost a bit of defence around the ruck but besides that, the attack actually improved when he didnt play. They have more than enough talent in the starting team to pick up the slack and had excellent depth in the halves to cover.

    Totally disagree that NFAC is more valuable to brisbane than Smith is to Melbourne. Could not disagree more, regardless of how good their rosters are. I actually think that is a fcking ridiculous statement.

    NFAC is a slightly above average hooker, but he is not a special player like Smith and doesnt even come close to influencing games like Smith does.

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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by ryno_ on Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:35 pm

    @Pieman wrote:

    Ted is prob the second best fullback in the game consistently, on his day he is the best, no one could argue that he isnt in the top 3 at any given time. If he doesnt play, the tigers generally have no chance yep. They also generally have no chance when he does play too.

    Melbourne would still be favs without Smith, sure, but he has more influence over a game than anyone. He is the most valuable player to his team. If he doesnt play, it is a totally different game. When he missed a GF, they lost 40 nil.

    Brisbane, missing NFAC finished in (I know its just a guess) prob the same spot they would have finished whether he was playing or not. They lost a bit of defence around the ruck but besides that, the attack actually improved when he didnt play. They have more than enough talent in the starting team to pick up the slack and had excellent depth in the halves to cover.

    Totally disagree that NFAC is more valuable to brisbane than Smith is to Melbourne. Could not disagree more, regardless of how good their rosters are. I actually think that is a fcking ridiculous statement.

    NFAC is a slightly above average hooker, but he is not a special player like Smith and doesnt even come close to influencing games like Smith does.

    Totally disagree that Cronk, Munster and Slater are more dependent on their hooker then NIkorima, Milf and Boyd are. Could not disagree more, regardless of how good their rosters are. I actually think that is a fcking ridiculous statement.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Pieman on Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:52 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    Totally disagree that Cronk, Munster and Slater are more dependent on their hooker then NIkorima, Milf and Boyd are. Could not disagree more, regardless of how good their rosters are. I actually think that is a fcking ridiculous statement.

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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Dip on Mon Sep 25, 2017 2:54 pm

    I suspect Smith is probably far more valuable to the Storm than McCullough is to the Broncos. Who would know though as apparently Smith has only missed something like 6 games through injury and suspension since he made his origin debut so there is basically zero sample size to analyse. Other games he missed the Storm were probably missing half a dozen other rep players.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Pieman on Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:34 pm

    @Dip wrote:I suspect Smith is probably far more valuable to the Storm than McCullough is to the Broncos. Who would know though as apparently Smith has only missed something like 6 games through injury and suspension since he made his origin debut so there is basically zero sample size to analyse. Other games he missed the Storm were probably missing half a dozen other rep players.

    If course its just opinion, but the only thing you can really go off is when smith missed the GF. And they lost 40 nil.

    BUT its also a totally irrelevant argument considering the Cows are in the GF this weekend with no JT or Matt scott, who would be considered two of the most valuable players to a side in the league.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by No Worries on Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:32 am

    Has there been anymore Sandor rumours up north that haven't made it past the Tweed ?
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by surmo13 on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:59 pm

    So Jack Bird needs shoulder reconstruction, out 5-6 months so he'll miss part of the 2018 regular season, should we reading into the fact that the Sharks season has been over for two months, but the day he officially becomes a Bronco is the day hes booked in for surgery?
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Pieman on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:11 pm

    @No Worries wrote:Has there been anymore Sandor rumours up north that haven't made it past the Tweed ?
    signed with melbourne didnt he?
    why the fuck would you sign with the team that has two of if not the best two wingers in the league?
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Pieman on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:15 pm

    @surmo13 wrote:So Jack Bird needs shoulder reconstruction, out 5-6 months so he'll miss part of the 2018 regular season, should we reading into the fact that the Sharks season has been over for two months, but the day he officially becomes a Bronco is the day hes booked in for surgery?
    maybe the brisbane drs re-evaluated it and recommended surgery?
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Honeysett on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:34 pm

    @Pieman wrote:
    signed with melbourne didnt he?
    why the fuck would you sign with the team that has two of if not the best two wingers in the league?

    Because no one else would take you. A positive system to be involved in and if there's injury you've got a chance to look amazing on the back of some incredible players.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by No Worries on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:43 pm

    @surmo13 wrote:So Jack Bird needs shoulder reconstruction, out 5-6 months so he'll miss part of the 2018 regular season, should we reading into the fact that the Sharks season has been over for two months, but the day he officially becomes a Bronco is the day hes booked in for surgery?

    You should read into it that the Sharks sure as shit weren't going to pay for it.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by No Worries on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:44 pm

    @Pieman wrote:
    signed with melbourne didnt he?
    why the fuck would you sign with the team that has two of if not the best two wingers in the league?

    He was in talks with Melbourne. I've heard he's signed with an Intrust Cup side and put 1+1 together and came up with 3, forgetting Melbourne players play up there also.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Pieman on Wed Nov 01, 2017 5:04 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:

    Because no one else would take you. A positive system to be involved in and if there's injury you've got a chance to look amazing on the back of some incredible players.
    There would have to be 2 or 3 winger specific injuries at melbourne for him to even get a look in there surely.
    You would think that at this stage of his career he would be looking for the best chance to play FG - and surely someone besides melbourne would take him on a bare bones minimum contract, where he has more of a chance of cracking the top side.
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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Pieman on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:10 am

    Good to see the Bronco's upholding their lofty standards by signing Matt Lodge.

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    Re: 2017 Brisbane Broncos Thread - we hate them for their freedom

    Post by Ice on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:37 pm

    @surmo13 wrote:So Jack Bird needs shoulder reconstruction, out 5-6 months so he'll miss part of the 2018 regular season, should we reading into the fact that the Sharks season has been over for two months, but the day he officially becomes a Bronco is the day hes booked in for surgery?

    Broncos admin got shut down on this. They'd been involved from the week after he was first injured. He returned later in the year to play and all medical info had been sent to the Broncos. For Bennet and co to attempt to make out they only just found out is laughable and clearly a lie and has been proven as such. They've simply made a call themselves late for Jack to have surgery and have attempted to pass the buck. Jack was passed by the Aus medicos to in the PMs game, he'd been absolved of any affiliation with the sharks and their responsibilities to him had been upheld to the highest standards.

    I don't understand the kerfuffle?

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