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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by No Worries on Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:23 pm

    @Dip wrote:

    Just going by social media. There are literally hundreds of posts/likes on Facebook posts saying they want some day and weekend games, and not one saying something along the lines of "how good are all these Thursday and Friday night games".

    Plus, I haven't ever said that the club is disadvantaged by having these games, just that its what i think fans want (and what you asked me). I think that if I was the argumentative type.

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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by filthridden on Fri Nov 25, 2016 2:26 pm

    @Dip wrote:

    Just going by social media. There are literally hundreds of posts/likes on Facebook posts saying they want some day and weekend games, and not one saying something along the lines of "how good are all these Thursday and Friday night games".

    Plus, I haven't ever said that the club is disadvantaged by having these games, just that its what i think fans want (and what you asked me). I think that if I was the argumentative type, then while I don't personally think we're disadvantaged commercially, I do think it isn't as much as the critics think. Sure, sponsors get bigger exposure, and that's worth a lot, but the smaller crowds at particularly Thursday night games (last year clubs other than Broncos had home crowds down 26% from their season average on Thursday night matches), with most of the ticket sales going directly to the Broncos would be higher with more matches on the weekend. I have personally spoken to, and also considered myself, not becoming/renewing a member, or going to a package with less home games, than they would have if they knew they weren't always going to get Thursday and Friday home games.

    Also, when you're talking about advantages, you need to compare it to how much better they get it above other teams in the competition. It is very clear that Channel 9 wouldn't pay as much for FTA rights as they would have if they didn't get scheduling rights. If scheduling rights were of no concern to them, then we wouldn't be having this discussion regarding scheduling in the first place. Of all the extra money generated with the FTA agreement, it goes to the NRL, and after they keep their share, the rest is then distributed via grants to the clubs. In other words, The Broncos get 1/16th of part of the FTA rights proceeds, which are significantly higher due the Brisbane Broncos more than any other club. You might not like to hear that, but if you think about it objectively, you can't come to any other conclusion.

    Especially as someone who supports a club that in all likelihood now only exists because the NRL now has the financial resources to step in (as opposed to letting them die like the Jets, Rabbits, Seagulls, Rams, Magpies, Steelers etc at various times in the past), you really should be thankful to the Brisbane Broncos for not having to pick a new team to follow. Happy for you to continue to hate on them though. I've always been a big believer in "hate" in sport. Emotion is what makes the good times so enjoyable.

    I guess it's human nature to always want to complain about a perceived unfairness, whether it really exists or not. Almost everybody does it (myself included). Of the top of my head I can think of people complaining about the following things whether or not they really exist or are an influence, and depending on which side of the fence you stand:
    1. Broncos get too many Thursday and Friday games and that is unfair to the other teams
    2. Broncos get too many Thursday and Friday games and that is unfair to the Broncos
    3. Sydney teams don't travel
    4. MRC is against us
    5. Refs are against us
    6. ____ has too many 5 day turnarounds
    7. It's unfair during the rep season as we have to provide too many origin players
    8. It's unfair during the rest of the season as they have too many origin players
    9. ____ has to play a home city final not at their home ground

    The list can go on and on.

    As for Bennett and the thoroughbreds, when that has one bit of relevance to the player's salary cap, you might have an argument.

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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by SI on Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:06 pm

    @filthridden wrote:


    I expect better from a star pupil.
    See me after class.

    Sounds like a plot for porn.

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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by filthridden on Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:21 pm

    flasSId* wrote:
    plot for porn.


    I think you are mistaken. They don't have plots.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Honeysett on Fri Nov 25, 2016 4:42 pm

    Re the Bennett under the table payment, don't you think Bennett could dribble it down to some of the players? It's already dodgy paying him and keeping no record of it. Considering th squads they've fielded in the past it's hard to imagine it's all above board.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Krump on Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:31 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:Re the Bennett under the table payment, don't you think Bennett could dribble it down to some of the players? It's already dodgy paying him and keeping no record of it. Considering th  squads they've fielded in the past it's hard to imagine it's all above board.
    You're clutching mate. It does seem unnecessary to pay him under the table if all is legit though.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Honeysett on Fri Nov 25, 2016 5:49 pm

    @Krump wrote:
    You're clutching mate. It does seem unnecessary to pay him under the table if all is legit though.

    Oh by no means am I saying that's 100% what happened - it just seems strange to pay someone in charge under the table. I mean why do it?

    It's well documented my hatred for the Broncos, but purely from a league watching standpoint. I enjoy hating them. Seeing them go ten years without any success has been great. If the Knights could do the impossible and win a premiership before them it would make it even better bit let's face it that's not probable.

    I'm excited for the league season, it'll be interesting to see how much the Knights can improve. We've got a tough draw and I'm expecting us to go back to back to back but who knows.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by ryno_ on Sat Nov 26, 2016 2:31 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:Seeing them go ten years without any success

    Well... I get that you hate the Broncos, but dont stand there and lie to us.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Honeysett on Sat Nov 26, 2016 4:26 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    Well... I get that you hate the Broncos, but dont stand there and lie to us.

    Success in that context is a premiership. It's been ten years since you've won one. For a club considered a powerhouse and one that has a lot more positives than most clubs that should be the benchmark as well.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by ryno_ on Mon Nov 28, 2016 1:24 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:

    Success in that context is a premiership. It's been ten years since you've won one. For a club considered a powerhouse and one that has a lot more positives than most clubs that should be the benchmark as well.

    ITT: making the GF and losing in golden point is not, overall, a successful season. Making 2 prelim in 3 years is not, overall, successful.

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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by No Worries on Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:02 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    ITT: making the GF and losing in golden point is not, overall, a successful season. Making 2 prelim in 3 years is not, overall, successful.

    Right.

    Would you say the Roosters have been successful winning 3 J. J. Giltinan Shields on the trot ?
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Honeysett on Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:39 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    ITT: making the GF and losing in golden point is not, overall, a successful season. Making 2 prelim in 3 years is not, overall, successful.

    Right.

    Are you suggested that making a final is good enough?

    What's the goal of Rugby League? Win a premiership. If you're not winning premierships you've not having the ultimate success, of which everyone is measured.

    Broncos are a club that should be winning more than they have been - shows how far they've fallen now that the competition is more equal in terms of salary cap. Also shows how even the competition is.

    Also about the GF you were lucky to make it to golden point, the game plan in the last 20 minutes was shocking and the Cowboys should have scored a couple of times.



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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Dip on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:05 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:

    Are you suggested that making a final is good enough?

    What's the goal of Rugby League? Win a premiership. If you're not winning premierships you've not having the ultimate success, of which everyone is measured.

    Broncos are a club that should be winning more than they have been - shows how far they've fallen now that the competition is more equal in terms of salary cap. Also shows how even the competition is.

    Also about the GF you were lucky to make it to golden point, the game plan in the last 20 minutes was shocking and the Cowboys should have scored a couple of times.



    While the ultimate success is definately winning a premiership success, there are also other measures, such as making finals, and the week to week success that winning and competitiveness brings.

    If you're saying that a premiership is the only success then you're saying that in the last 15 years we've only been as successful as say the Tigers, Knights, Dragons, Sharks, Panthers and Rabbitohs. Too me, if feels more like we've been more successful than that - kind of like the Dogs and Storm over the last decade and a half. Certainly, when I go to work on a Monday morning and someone asks about the football on the weekend, more often than not I have felt better than say Knights or Tigers supporters.

    Have we won as many premiership as I think we could have, definately not. Doesn't mean it hasn't been a successful period. I think you believe that as well, you're just not willing to admit it. I mean, I could be wrong, but I think you were one of the people who thought the Storm weren't punished enough for cap rorts. If you think the only measure of success is premierships, and you take those away from them, by you're definition you've taken away all their success. Further penalties were then imposed, so I can't see how you can have it both ways.

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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Dip on Mon Nov 28, 2016 4:09 pm

    @No Worries wrote:

    Would you say the Roosters have been successful winning 3 J. J. Giltinan Shields on the trot ?

    Of course it was. I think most Roosters supporters will be dissapointed they weren't able to make more than one grand final in a period they were MP's 3 times, but to say a three year period when they won over 50 regular season matches (I think) wasn't a success is crazy.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Honeysett on Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:31 pm

    @Dip wrote:

    While the ultimate success is definately winning a premiership success, there are also other measures, such as making finals, and the week to week success that winning and competitiveness brings.

    If you're saying that a premiership is the only success then you're saying that in the last 15 years we've only been as successful as say the Tigers, Knights, Dragons, Sharks, Panthers and Rabbitohs. Too me, if feels more like we've been more successful than that - kind of like the Dogs and Storm over the last decade and a half. Certainly, when I go to work on a Monday morning and someone asks about the football on the weekend, more often than not I have felt better than say Knights or Tigers supporters.

    Have we won as many premiership as I think we could have, definately not. Doesn't mean it hasn't been a successful period. I think you believe that as well, you're just not willing to admit it. I mean, I could be wrong, but I think you were one of the people who thought the Storm weren't punished enough for cap rorts. If you think the only measure of success is premierships, and you take those away from them, by you're definition you've taken away all their success. Further penalties were then imposed, so I can't see how you can have it both ways.

    It's not the context in what I was saying originally.

    They have won week to week and been competitive, of course. All of a sudden that's the bar that the Broncos are holding themselves to - which is a step down from where they previously were or where some supporters act like they are. Making finals is a form of success, winning games is a form of success, however I was talking premiership success. When you're talking at the pub do you go "yeah well we won Round 13 in 2013" or "we nearly made a GF last year" that's not the ultimate measure of success. If you're not winning, you're losing.

    I understand what you guys are talking about and I agree you're more successful in that sense than say Tigers and Knights, but it's premierships that are the be all and end all. That's what history remembers, that's what the clubs hold reunions for.

    RE Storm punishment: That's a whole different beast and they had their premierships taken away but were able to maintain most of their squad without losing their main stars - in an ideal world they should have had their players split up and moved on but just a couple. They went on to win a premiership not long after, proving in my mind that keeping their core group that they built off cheating wasn't punishment enough. However they had their premierships taken away and a huge fine, do they move on the players in lieu of the huge phone? That's another discussion.


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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by dasherhalo on Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:51 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:
    However they had their premierships taken away and a huge fine, do they move on the players in lieu of the huge phone? That's another discussion.

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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Honeysett on Mon Nov 28, 2016 5:57 pm

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    Hahaha, well played.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by Honeysett on Mon Nov 28, 2016 6:00 pm

    Let me put it this way, Nathan Hindmarsh played in a lot of competitive teams with the Eels yet on the Matty Johns show they always give him shit about not winning a premiership.
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by ryno_ on Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:29 am

    @Honeysett wrote:

    Are you suggested that making a final is good enough?

    What's the goal of Rugby League? Win a premiership. If you're not winning premierships you've not having the ultimate success, of which everyone is measured.

    Broncos are a club that should be winning more than they have been - shows how far they've fallen now that the competition is more equal in terms of salary cap. Also shows how even the competition is.

    Also about the GF you were lucky to make it to golden point, the game plan in the last 20 minutes was shocking and the Cowboys should have scored a couple of times.

    ITT: A game plan that has your team leading from the 7th minute til after the full time siren is "shocking". The game plan literally could not have come any closer to winning them a ring. Fuck me. If you rate a team that lost the GF in golden point as "shocking" and "unsuccessful", what grade do you give the other 14 teams? They'll want to pour a warm bath and open their wrists up after you're done with them.

    Also ITT: The competition is even. So even that 1 team is expected to win and if they don't their entire decade is a failure.

    If you asked 16 club presidents, right now, if they considered making the 2017 Grand Final a successful season, how many do you think would say no?
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    Re: 2017 Draw

    Post by SI on Tue Nov 29, 2016 11:35 am

    Yeah, certainly harder (or maybe easier then) to define a successful season. We are talking about seasons now really as there are no dynasties anymore. That stat of 4 or 5 years in a row 10 years ago where the Premiers didn't even make the 8 the next season is testament to that. The Storm are the closest thing to a dynasty but obviously that could never be counted under the circumstances.

    I think losing a GF in extra time is a success, no matter how much it hurts. With the Broncos though in that situation, they were playing the house down for the first 3rd of this season. No significant injuries (or am I wrong) but they lost their mojo in the back end.

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