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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:43 pm

    Archer wrote:

    For the sake of the argument, imagine they both had identical games. As in, its the exact same game you just change the players name.
    if they both had identical games you would mark both on their merits for that game but over a season or a dynasty team you pick cronk every day of the week and twice on sundays

    cronk has been world class for years, major consistency is a staple of being world class, just because some other half has a game better than him in one game does not make them a better player
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:44 pm

    TopDog wrote:
    Different positions. Austin is a 5/8th Cronk is a halfback. A better example would be Ben Hunt 2015 and Cronk.
    example is the same Bren. sure use Ben Hunt

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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Guest on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:46 pm

    Welshy wrote:
    example is the same Bren. sure use Ben Hunt
    Thanks. Basically I just wanted to remind everyone that Ben Hunt was robbed of 2015 Dally M halfback of the year Laughing
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Archer on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:46 pm

    Welshy wrote:
    if they both had identical games you would mark both on their merits for that game but over a season or a dynasty team you pick cronk every day of the week and twice on sundays

    cronk has been world class for years, major consistency is a staple of being world class, just because some other half has a game better than him in one game does not make them a better player
    I'm not asking who you would pick in that example. My point in that example, is that if people are asked to say who had the better game or who was in the better form, the bloke with the name would be chosen every. single. time. even if they both were in identical form/games because people are influenced in whether they focus on the good or bad based on a blokes name/reputation. Forget about which one you would draft right now for this part of my rant.

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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Guest on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:48 pm

    flasSId* wrote:

    Why not both... Very Happy
    Did you have tacos for dinner?
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:51 pm

    Archer wrote:
    I'm not asking who you would pick in that example. My point in that example, is that if people are asked to say who had the better game or who was in the better form, the bloke with the name would be chosen every. single. time. if they both were in identical form/games because people are influenced in whether they focus on the good or bad based on a blokes name/reputation. Forget about which one you would draft right now for this part of my rant.
    Name is always going to be a thing arch, doesn't even have to be equal form! Some player might be in better form but if this is the first season showing that you will always revert back to the name!

    look at all great international sides, guarentee there are players not picked having better, more productive seasons! The name will win out, its all about consistency and longevity that the talent has been shown.
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Mearcats on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:56 pm

    Welshy wrote:
    Yes I would pick Semi over Rapana. 100%

    in a 2016 draft. Would you pick Blake Austin 2015 form over Cronk because he has a better year?

    Then you have far bigger balls than me cos no fucking way would I pick Radradra. He's likely to leave after three rounds, return 9 rounds later only to be just as crap as he was this year.

    When I pick fantasy sides, draft sides or anything of the like, I do so based on form, not name. Name is aquired, earned. Over many years. Not one. Semi has an average debut year, a good second year and a monster third only to go walkabout following. 

    You're only as good as you're last game mate and Rapana's dicks on Radradra's

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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Guest on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:58 pm

    Rapana's dicks on Radradra's? Semi or...?
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Mearcats on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:59 pm

    Welshy wrote:
    Name is always going to be a thing arch, doesn't even have to be equal form! Some player might be in better form but if this is the first season showing that you will always revert back to the name!

    look at all great international sides, guarentee there are players not picked having better, more productive seasons! The name will win out, its all about consistency and longevity that the talent has been shown.

    How do you figure when you look at the Aus side? Chambers is a much bigger name...
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Wed Oct 19, 2016 11:59 pm

    Mearcats wrote:

    Then you have far bigger balls than me cos no fucking way would I pick Radradra. He's likely to leave after three rounds, return 9 rounds later only to be just as crap as he was this year.

    When I pick fantasy sides, draft sides or anything of the like, I do so based on form, not name. Name is aquired, earned. Over many years. Not one. Semi has an average debut year, a good second year and a monster third only to go walkabout following. 

    You're only as good as you're last game mate and Rapana's dicks on Radradra's
    Fuck i'm not picking a player and worrying about disappearing or getting injured, I'm picking a player who on the top of their game is simply better than the other

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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Guest on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:01 am

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    Fuck i'm not picking a player and worrying about disappearing or getting injured, I'm picking a player who on the top of their game is simply better than the other
    Then why picked Dugan at CTR? His value really drops down the ladder at CTR imo..

    Where do you rank Dugan purely as a CTR? Care to list your top 5/10?
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Mearcats on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:04 am

    Welshy wrote:
    Fuck i'm not picking a player and worrying about disappearing or getting injured, I'm picking a player who on the top of their game is simply better than the other

    Ok, so as a coach or a club, you'd buy Semi with that history? Again, bigger balls than me. And when I'm picking players I'm definitely worrying about them disappearing or getting injured. I'd argue that every fantasy player is. No-one ever picks injury prone players, it's one of the hotly contested arguments in every preseason.
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:04 am

    TopDog wrote:
    Then why picked Dugan at CTR? His value really drops down the ladder at CTR imo..

    Where do you rank Dugan purely as a CTR? Care to list your top 5/10?
    Its a draft game, was not picking my ultimate team, my no.1 CTR choice was BJ and had gone so had GI
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:07 am

    Mearcats wrote:

    Ok, so as a coach or a club, you'd buy Semi with that history? Again, bigger balls than me. And when I'm picking players I'm definitely worrying about them disappearing or getting injured. I'd argue that every fantasy player is. No-one ever picks injury prone players, it's one of the hotly contested arguments in every preseason.
    There is a reason Toulon offered Semi a boatload of money mate

    so would you not pick up Tedesco because he has bad injury history
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:09 am

    @Mearcats

    I hate that line about only being as good as your last game as well!  Mad
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Mearcats on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:13 am

    Yeah, TBH i hate the line as well. And Semi to Tedesco is apples and oranges mate. Toulon offered him money based on history. Which is all you can do admittedly. Then it bights you in the arse just like Dogs thinking they'd get Manly T-Rex
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:18 am

    Mearcats wrote:Yeah, TBH i hate the line as well. And Semi to Tedesco is apples and oranges mate. Toulon offered him money based on history. Which is all you can do admittedly. Then it bights you in the arse just like Dogs thinking they'd get Manly T-Rex
    no, no, no i'm using your thought process on saying you take injury history into consideration not comparing it to Semi, so would you not select Tedesco?

    What did Australia do when they selected him then? He also dealt with personal issuses and being offered that money messes with your head space also

    still racked up RM and scored 12 tries, made huge line breaks all in a side without their top halves for a lot of the year and all the other issues Parra had

    don't see how you can devalue his worth so much
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Archer on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:21 am

    Welshy wrote:
    Name is always going to be a thing arch, doesn't even have to be equal form! Some player might be in better form but if this is the first season showing that you will always revert back to the name!

    look at all great international sides, guarentee there are players not picked having better, more productive seasons! The name will win out, its all about consistency and longevity that the talent has been shown.
    FUCKING FUCK NETWORK LOSING MY RESPONSE, YET AGAIN.

    I'll repost a condensed and probably worse attempt at responding then...

    I Acknowledged there was a place for looking at a players name in my first post, my point about this part was that it often takes far longer to acknowledge a player isn't the same bloke because we look at his form through rose tinted glasses. If David mead had the same season as James Roberts this year, nobody would say it was an ok season, they'd proclaim he was a plodder and use that season as an example why!

    So when a player makes a name, even if its off the back of one good season, it takes a hell of a lot longer before any one acknowledges they aren't the same player, because they view any form after that period favourably.  Anyway, I've had multiple posts that have been lost (I blame my work's network personally) so I've lost the steam, gotta get back to work anyway as lunch is over Sad
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Welshy on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:26 am

    Archer wrote:
    FUCKING FUCK NETWORK LOSING MY RESPONSE, YET AGAIN.

    I'll repost a condensed and probably worse attempt at responding then...

    I Acknowledged there was a place for looking at a players name in my first post, my point about this part was that it often takes far longer to acknowledge a player isn't the same bloke because we look at his form through rose tinted glasses. If David mead had the same season as James Roberts this year, nobody would say it was an ok season, they'd proclaim he was a plodder and use that season as an example why!

    So when a player makes a name, even if its off the back of one good season, it takes a hell of a lot longer before any one acknowledges they aren't the same player, because they view any form after that period favourably.  Anyway, I've had multiple posts that have been lost (I blame my work's network personally) so I've lost the steam, gotta get back to work anyway as lunch is over Sad
    I understand what you are getting at mate

    You also can't devalue a name off the back of one medicore season per se.
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    Re: Draft Game 2016 V2

    Post by Mearcats on Thu Oct 20, 2016 12:35 am

    Welshy wrote:
    no, no, no i'm using your thought process on saying you take injury history into consideration not comparing it to Semi, so would you not select Tedesco?

    What did Australia do when they selected him then? He also dealt with personal issuses and being offered that money messes with your head space also

    still racked up RM and scored 12 tries, made huge line breaks all in a side without their top halves for a lot of the year and all the other issues Parra had

    don't see how you can devalue his worth so much

    Ok, saying I wouldn't rate him in the top 100 players was probably pretty harsh. However I don't rate him this season at all. And I was saying I use injury history into consideration when selecting a fantasy team... And with that in mind, no, I didn't select him this season. To start the season at least. Think I picked him up in the second half of the season. Just after game one of origin.

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