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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by leaguegod on Fri Jun 03, 2016 12:40 pm

    the scrum over rule was odd, i'm just assuming the bunker saw a better view then the one we got because they usually have to be pretty certain to change it

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Mr Fernando on Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:31 pm

    One game into his coaching career and Kevvie has enhanced his reputation on both sides of the border and Daley has lost plenty of respect.

    And yeah it was a slogfest (I still enjoyed it and couldn't look away) but the onus is completely on NSW to come up with points in that situation.  Particularly as they get blown away at Suncorp every second game or so lol.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Dip on Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:46 pm

    Just watched a couple of replays and I didn't realise the penalty goal didn't come from the Gallen penalty, but came after Moloney dragged Gillett's foot around in the next set of six.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Pieman on Fri Jun 03, 2016 1:58 pm

    @Dip wrote:Just watched a couple of replays and I didn't realise the penalty goal didn't come from the Gallen penalty, but came after Moloney dragged Gillett's foot around in the next set of six.

    ha ha ha wow











    still shouldnt have been a penalty tho

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by leaguegod on Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:01 pm

    @Mr Fernando wrote:

    And yeah it was a slogfest (I still enjoyed it and couldn't look away) but the onus is completely on NSW to come up with points in that situation.  Particularly as they get blown away at Suncorp every second game or so lol.


    atleast we're not due to get blown away this time!

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Dip on Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:08 pm

    @Pieman wrote:

    ha ha ha wow

    still shouldnt have been a penalty tho

    Absolutely it shouldn't have been a penalty. Unfortunately we'll never know what would have happened. NSW might have got forced in goal and the next set that lead to the penalty goal might have been the same. Maybe QLD score off the bomb. Maybe the kick goes dead and NSW gets a 20m restart. Maybe the kick is charged down and NSW go 70 metres to score.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by leaguegod on Fri Jun 03, 2016 2:10 pm

    the high tackle was a bad penalty but geez, if thats the one call that everyone agrees was wrong then the refs didn't have much of an influence in the game


    (tho i do agree with the earlier post that both teams get away with murder in the ruck which slows down the games and plays a huge role in the contest being a slog fest)

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Mr Fernando on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:01 pm

    @leaguegod wrote:the high tackle was a bad penalty but geez, if thats the one call that everyone agrees was wrong then the refs didn't have much of an influence in the game


    (tho i do agree with the earlier post that both teams get away with murder in the ruck which slows down the games and plays a huge role in the contest being a slog fest)

    Agreed. The refs started off well on Wednesday night and things seemed to be looking promising for a more open game than recent Origins in Sydney - quite a few penalties early on for slowing down the ruck and for offside, and then they just put the whistle away for the next 60 minutes.

    But they are in a no win situation to some extent. If they blow too many, people will whinge that it's Origin and they should show more leniency - apparently on Triple M's live call of the game Bill Harrigan was disappointed at the penalties blown in the first twenty minutes.

    So basically there will never be a consensus and whatever they decide to do people will bitch lol.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by leaguegod on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:05 pm

    its a fair call


    when it comes to origin, i'd defs rather less soft high tackle type penalties but not policing the ruck/offside really just hurts the game as a spectacle


    and while us that watch league all the time will still follow it, its the most watched rugby league game all year, it would be better for everyone to put out a more appealing product (which doesn't necessarily mean heaps of points, Origin defense are often very strong and low scoring origin games can often be brilliant but i don't think either defense were tested that much on Wednesday )

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Honeysett on Fri Jun 03, 2016 3:40 pm

    @Mr Fernando wrote:

    Agreed. The refs started off well on Wednesday night and things seemed to be looking promising for a more open game than recent Origins in Sydney - quite a few penalties early on for slowing down the ruck and for offside, and then they just put the whistle away for the next 60 minutes.

    But they are in a no win situation to some extent. If they blow too many, people will whinge that it's Origin and they should show more leniency - apparently on Triple M's live call of the game Bill Harrigan was disappointed at the penalties blown in the first twenty minutes.

    So basically there will never be a consensus and whatever they decide to do people will bitch lol.

    I would have just liked consistency. QLD got what 4 penalties in the first 20? Correct me if I'm wrong but they were getting them quickly. So do the same throughout the whole game or don't do them at all. One was for dumping Myles on his head and Gallen tackling too hard, there were far more you could have given for both sides. Let the game open up a little and blow it, if they're not wanting to get onside or clear the ruck they soon will after all those penalties.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Dip on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:02 pm

    Maybe the NSW players give away more penalties even when they're not playing state of origin.

    http://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/state-of-origin/state-of-origin-2016-the-statistic-to-give-nsw-blues-coach-laurie-daley-nightmares/news-story/169e1b4feb51e77227b26633d5e48162

    When you look at those statistics and the games played, the average penalties conceded per game by NSW players in the first 11 rounds was 0.62 penalties per game. For QLD players it was 0.33 penalties per game.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Bren on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:07 pm

    Any and all penalties given on Wednesday night did not decide the outcome of the game. Jmoz no try was correct. QLD won because NSW did not do enough to win it for themselves, part of that comes down to the squad they ran with. Simple.

    Bring on game 2.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Revraiser on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:11 pm

    Was a pretty even game where either team could have jagged it. 1 try a piece, goal kicks. With the sets on the line we should have but did not.

    Disappointed that tamou/woods still get selected. There is no Oomph in there hitups, its amazing. Show some zing !

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Dip on Fri Jun 03, 2016 4:17 pm

    @Revraiser wrote:Was a pretty even game where either team could have jagged it. 1 try a piece, goal kicks. With the sets on the line we should have but did not.


    Yep. The nature of supporters is that they always need to find a reason for losses. In every origin game now exactly one team wins, and the other team loses. Sometimes you've just got to say that we played basically as well as the opposition but this time they won. Maybe next time both teams play basically equally as well and NSW win.

    Sure there are always things you can improve on. Even last year in game 3 we won by 46 but you could still say we weren't perfect as we threw a loose pass for the Jennings try. Just because you lose doesn't mean that you need to reinvent the wheel. Sometimes you just got to try to do everything exactly the same, only 1% better. Or even just the same and the bounce of the ball will go your way instead of against you.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Honeysett on Fri Jun 03, 2016 5:02 pm

    @Bren wrote:Any and all penalties given on Wednesday night did not decide the outcome of the game. Jmoz no try was correct. QLD won because NSW did not do enough to win it for themselves, part of that comes down to the squad they ran with. Simple.

    Bring on game 2.

    I put it down to QLD slowing down the ruck speed so they could defend our set attacks a lot easier. They came with a game plan and it worked. Created a boring game but it's what works. ANZ is a slower track so it worked out well for them, they won't do that at Suncorp and NSW need to realise that. If we can just shift the ball a bit more, I would bring on Frizz and Fifita at the same time and play hard on the edges.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by Pieman on Fri Jun 03, 2016 6:43 pm

    @Dip wrote:

    Yep. The nature of supporters is that they always need to find a reason for losses. In every origin game now exactly one team wins, and the other team loses. Sometimes you've just got to say that we played basically as well as the opposition but this time they won. Maybe next time both teams play basically equally as well and NSW win.

    Sure there are always things you can improve on. Even last year in game 3 we won by 46 but you could still say we weren't perfect as we threw a loose pass for the Jennings try. Just because you lose doesn't mean that you need to reinvent the wheel. Sometimes you just got to try to do everything exactly the same, only 1% better. Or even just the same and the bounce of the ball will go your way instead of against you.

    Well yeah I said at the start there is nothing between the teams - just some little things dont go your way and you end up losing the match.
    When the teams are so evenly matched (IMO, QLD's 9 69 79 1 are heaps better than NSW, so based on that alone they should beat NSW most games) the have to be outside factors that influence the results.

    Whether its the coaching, game plan, nerves, the refs, etc.. stuff does influence the results.

    Its a shame that reynolds doesnt kick that goal after the try, because if he does it comes down to a shootout at the end of the match - which QLD would prob win anyway.

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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by dasherhalo on Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:16 am

    [quote="Pieman"]

    If Cronk slots a field goal on a dodgy ankle to win it with 10 seconds to go, we would have had a new statue @ Suncorp.


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    Re: State of Origin Game 1

    Post by dasherhalo on Sat Jun 04, 2016 7:18 am

    I may be wrong, but the Gallen penalty looked worse than it was because he managed to get both feet in the air whilst making the tackle. He nearly jumped at him.

    Still didn't hit that high though: it just looked bad

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