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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Dip on Sun 7 Aug 2016 - 20:05

    Thursday night citations have already been released.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by No Worries on Sun 7 Aug 2016 - 20:47

    @Dip wrote:Thursday night citations have already been released.

    Exactly.

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    Last I saw they were only showing the angle that went to air and all you see is a hand. If they were serious the MRC would have cited someone by now based on other angles. .

    Hayne will get off because the ref backed into him.

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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Ice on Sun 7 Aug 2016 - 20:53

    Bren wrote:They have to give him a week. I dont care who it is and whether they are a big name superstar or not. Consistency has to be shown. Frizell touched the ref and got a week, Hayne touched the ref in a very similar fashion so he also deserves a week. If he doesnt get a week it will be absolute BS.

    Mate it was already absolute BS when Thurston and Smith got off after others had been given a week and the Friz copped a week, so why would it be any more or less BS if Hayne does or doesn't get off? It will be no more or less consistently inconsistent than it already is.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Pieman on Sun 7 Aug 2016 - 21:32

    Bren wrote:They have to give him a week. I dont care who it is and whether they are a big name superstar or not. Consistency has to be shown. Frizell touched the ref and got a week, Hayne touched the ref in a very similar fashion so he also deserves a week. If he doesnt get a week it will be absolute BS.

    They didnt give weeks to thurston, smith, JT, coote was found not guilty etc etc.
    Hayne getting off is as BS as Frizell not getting off. There is no consistency and it wouldnt surprise me if they just blatantly ignore it and never mention it again.

    The Friz one is particularly bad. He gets up and turns around starting to run back, the ref is in the way. He politely puts his hands up as if to say, "Excuse me, sorry mate" and runs past.
    The ones where the bloke eg Foran is tapping the ref on the shoulder trying to get his attention are the bad ones.

    Its utterly crazy that Friz got a week and the accidental ones are punished. Madness.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Pieman on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 11:22

    Firstly, this is not a jab at Hayne, I want it to be an actual discussion.

    I understand that Hayne's a great athlete and individually he has done some pretty impressive things.. but really, in the big scheme of things, he has not really won much. (Yes I am aware his career is not over yet)

    1. 2 Dally M awards (one of them split with JT). Only a handful of people have done this.
    2. 1 state of origin series
    3. Not sure if he was in the side that won a world cup or anything?
    4. From memory He has never even played fb for australia
    5. He has never won a comp
    6. He didnt make the Rio 7s team
    7. Whilst making the 49ers was amazing, basically doing it on raw athletic ability, he largely failed in that arena from a per game perspective and was tapped on the shoulder and left

    From an NRL fullback's perspective - he has had a good but not great career.
    His career cant even be compared to Slaters in terms of winning/team success
    His career could be more on par with GI, but he has not been as dominant at SOO level and has not won a comp.
    Anthony Minichello had a better career than Hayne has had from a team point of view. Won two GF's, played prob 15 origin games, 19 tests. Prob won a fair few SOO series etc.

    Hayne also hasnt been surrounded by the kind of talent Slater and GI have been throughout their careers.

    I love watching him play, but he isnt exactly a team player IMO.

    Who has had a comparable career to Hayne?

    What fullbacks have had better careers, without the accolades?
    What fullbacks have had better career from a team point of view?

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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Ice on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 14:02

    Re Above:

    1. Amazing effort, puts him in the top eschelon. (Ad to it Dally M Rookie, Winger or the year awards plus a couple of FB of the year awards, RLIF International Player of the Year, RLPA Awards and a few other and there are few if any individuals that have been as awarded)
    2. An Origin career surrounded by numpties and led by incompetence, where he got hammered for not winning games from the wing (as if other players have done that regularly, but he managed to win 2 Brad Fittler medals from that position, and another at his only full series at FB) when any decent judge could see he should be our FB and when put there basically single handedly won us the series against the greatest Origin collective we have seen.
    3. Won a World Cup and Players Player and leading try scorer out of position in the Centres. Who else has done that?
    4. He has had maybe 1 or 2 runs at FB from memory but I could be wrong there, but mainly due to is versatility he has played wing or centre. But all the evidence suggests if he was required to play at FB for Australia because another decent FB had better versatility than him (which they don't) then does anyone doubt he would have struggled and not carved up like he did as a centre.
    5. Plenty of great players have never won a comp and his career isn't over yet. The Players mentioned above as better FBs all, without any shadow of a doubt, were in teams where they were NOT expected to be the teams chief play maker, kicker, distributor and gamebreaker at the same time as having to worry about the Key defensive aspects of the critical role of FB. They all had at least two if not 3 quality 6/7/9's with them at all levels, something Hayne has ONLY had at the 2013 World Cup, and low and behold, look what happened there.
    6. Bid Deal, he tried, no body else has tried and such short notice and nobody else would have made it. Its hardly a blight on his career.
    7. He did what basically NOBODY thought was possible, he started and NFL game as a running back.  Regardless of how it got to that and what happened after is an amazing effort. The chance of a person who has never played NFL at ANY level before doing that are Millions and Millions to 1. 

    Agreed his career cant be compared to Slaters in terms of team success and winning, but they can't be compared regardless due to the calibre around each of them.  The Eels wouldn't have made the 2009 GF if Slater was our FB and Hayne wasn't, but I'm confident the Storm would have with Hayne in the FB.
    Re Inglis, if Hayne played for Qld and Inglis played for NSW like he should, I still don't think the results would have been any different. Inglis wouldn't have won NSW series by himself from centre.
    Agreed Mini has had a better career as far as team results are concerned, no arguments to be made there at all, but not sure what the point is. Hayne is a superior player and athlete in every way. Swap Hayne for Mini in all instances and the results don't get worse for those teams.

    You basically summarise it as it is "Hayne also hasn't been surrounded by the kind of talent Slater and GI have been throughout their careers"  that is it in a nutshell. 

    I don't agree with the statement that he isn't exactly a team player.  When surrounded by the best at Australia he has played in the team and killed it WITH the team. At all other times the expectation has been that he carries the team as he hasn't had the luxury of being with other top flight players.

    None have a comparable career to Hayne, that's not to say he has had a better career, its just a career that is so unique that it is incomparable in my opinion.
    Plenty of FBs have had better team winning careers than Hayne, none have had as good an individually recognised career as Hayne.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 14:18

    6. SBW tried and made it... Just sayin Wink

    I like what Hayne has done and achieved. Particularly I think his NFL jaunt was pretty darn impressive regardless of how it ended up. And he is clearly a fantastic league player.

    From a PR perspective I can't stand the guy. Some of his comments recently come across like he thinks the average sporting pundit is an absolute idiot. Perhaps he is right and therefore thats how he gets away with it....

    Overall IMO the comparison that can be made to Hayne now if you are looking at his career as a whole across all sports?? I'd say he has tried to follow in SBWs footsteps but hasn't quite gotten there. The failed RIO bid is the major blight on his career in that respect, but also the way the NFL thing ended was pretty disappointing. On the other hand SBW has pretty much succeeded in every venture he has undertaken. The least of which being a pretty dominant part of arguably the most successful pro sporting team of all time.



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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Ice on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 14:22

    @Rippin and Tearin wrote:6. SBW tried and made it... Just sayin Wink

    In 6 weeks SBW went from NFL to Rugby 7's having never played Rugby at any level before?  Oh, sorry I stand corrected then, must have missed that.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 14:31

    @Ice wrote:

    In 6 weeks SBW went from NFL to Rugby 7's having never played Rugby at any level before?  Oh, sorry I stand corrected then, must have missed that.

    Haha, no, he actually had some brains and common sense and dedicated a whole season to 7s in his attempt to make RIO. He actually showed some respect for the code IMO.

    By the way you are stretching it a bit to say Hayne actually went from NFL to 7s are you? the guy played all of 6 minutes and that was all token stuff.

    Common mate, even you have to admit the 7s thing was an unmitigated disaster for Hayne both on and off the field.

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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Ice on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 14:38

    @Rippin and Tearin wrote:

    Haha, no, he actually had some brains and common sense and dedicated a whole season to 7s in his attempt to make RIO. He actually showed some respect for the code IMO.

    By the way you are stretching it a bit to say Hayne actually went from NFL to 7s are you? the guy played all of 6 minutes and that was all token stuff.

    Common mate, even you have to admit the 7s thing was an unmitigated disaster for Hayne both on and off the field.

    So SBW's circumstance and success was totally different and in no way comparable to Haynes last minute attempt, which I totally agree was ill conceived and executed on his part.

    So like I said, no player has tried what he tried and no player would succeed at it cause Hayne couldn't succeed at it, and it plays no real bearing on his career, and shouldn't really have even been raised in the original post. If Hayne had dedicated a full season to trying to make the 7s side, he would have made it in my view no doubt about it all cause all the evidence suggests given the right prep, he can achieve things that most if not all think are impossible.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 14:41

    @Ice wrote:

    So SBW's circumstance and success was totally different and in no way comparable to Haynes last minute attempt, which I totally agree was ill conceived and executed on his part.

    You said it yourself though, it was "ill conceived and executed on his part" so why would one want to be compared to Hayne on those metrics??

    If all you disagree on is the short notice thing then its a bit of an odd way to look at it. SBW on the other hand came from a completely different sport, the same as Hayne, but actually made RIO. That is the point I am making.

    By the way, there is no way Hayne makes the Fiji 7s side on merit even if he plays a whole season.

    Anyway, as you say its a very small part in Haynes career so no point focussing on it too much. I was just having you up on the point you made above.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Random on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 15:53

    @Pieman wrote:
    Who has had a comparable career to Hayne?
    What fullbacks have had better careers, without the accolades?
    What fullbacks have had better career from a team point of view?

    In terms of a comparable career by the accolades that they hold.

    - Billy Slater/Greg Inglis/Darren Lockyer both in terms of accolades would be comparable in terms of being an NRL Fullback.

    I would say Darius Boyd has had a better career/club career in terms of NRL. However he doesn't have the accolades or the general respect/level admiration as Hayne. He also may not have the general athletic capabilities that Jarryd Hayne has, but has achieved far more during his career thus far.

    Darius Boyd Achievements:

    - One Dally M Award
    - 18 Games for Australia (4 Games at Fullback and 100% International Win Record.)
    - Clive Churchill Medalist
    - 2x Grand Final Winner (Once as Winger with Broncos, Once as Fullback with Dragons.)
    - 26 State of Origin Matches
    - 8 State of Origin Series Wins (Including 1 series at FB)
    - RLIF Fullback of the Year 2010
    - World Club Challenge Champion

    Nathan Hindmarsh also comes to mind on the same strain as Jarryd Hayne. However I would say he is much more underrated than Jarryd Hayne is, and while that is warranted it primarily would do with the position and his athletic ability. But he performed and excelled in his position as much as Jarryd Hayne has thus far.

    Nathan Hindmarsh Achievements:

    - 5 Dally M Second Rower of the Year Awards
    - 23 Games for Australia
    - 17 Games for NSW
    - 2 State of Origin Series Wins
    - RLW Player of the Year x 2
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by No Worries on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 16:17

    Andrew Ettingshausen ????

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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Ice on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 16:37

    @Random wrote:

    In terms of a comparable career by the accolades that they hold.

    - Billy Slater/Greg Inglis/Darren Lockyer both in terms of accolades would be comparable in terms of being an NRL Fullback.

    I would say Darius Boyd has had a better career/club career in terms of NRL. However he doesn't have the accolades or the general respect/level admiration as Hayne. He also may not have the general athletic capabilities that Jarryd Hayne has, but has achieved far more during his career thus far.

    Darius Boyd Achievements:

    - One Dally M Award
    - 18 Games for Australia (4 Games at Fullback and 100% International Win Record.)
    - Clive Churchill Medalist
    - 2x Grand Final Winner (Once as Winger with Broncos, Once as Fullback with Dragons.)
    - 26 State of Origin Matches
    - 8 State of Origin Series Wins (Including 1 series at FB)
    - RLIF Fullback of the Year 2010
    - World Club Challenge Champion

    Nathan Hindmarsh also comes to mind on the same strain as Jarryd Hayne. However I would say he is much more underrated than Jarryd Hayne is, and while that is warranted it primarily would do with the position and his athletic ability. But he performed and excelled in his position as much as Jarryd Hayne has thus far.

    Nathan Hindmarsh Achievements:

    - 5 Dally M Second Rower of the Year Awards
    - 23 Games for Australia
    - 17 Games for NSW
    - 2 State of Origin Series Wins
    - RLW Player of the Year x 2

    Boyd has had a great career both from a team point of view, being blessed to be born in Qld when he was and being with a stacked and well coached Dragons team and filling his role in that team on their way to premiership glory, and he was instrumental to the success. As well as a very solid individual career. Nobody can ever take any of that away from him.  Head to head in finals pretty sure Hayne is up 1-0, but could be wrong there. 

    But he isn't as good a footballer as Hayne and won't be remembered as a better footballer.

    Plus, he is just a shit bloke.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Pieman on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 20:38

    Some good answers here.

    If you take out all the other stuff - ignore the NFL and Union thing, ignore the fact he was playing for a horrible team and look at his NRL career as a fullback in a vacuum - He has not has as good of a career as Boyd, Lockyer, Slater, Minichello or Inglis - from a winning things perspective.

    A lot of great players dont win comps - but pretty much all the All Time greats do. If he doesnt ever do it, he will end up being known as "Fuck he was a good athlete and footy player" but not as one of the all time great players.

    Boyd in particular will have one of the most storied careers ever with individual and team accomplishments by the time he hangs them up. Same with slater.

    On another note, who was it that billy slater booted in the face a la Kasiano - slater got suspended for like 6 weeks for it. They showed it on the footy show last week but I cant find it.



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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Shanbon on Fri 26 Aug 2016 - 23:24

    Just some corrections from above posts

    Darius Boyd never won the Dally M award.

    SBW is a bit player for the ABs not a domenent force (Brad Thorn easily the best cross code player)

    Only 3 players in the last 25 years have won multiple Dally Ms and Hayne is the only FB to do it. The other 2 players Johns and Thurston, pretty decent company.

    Hayne will never be an imortal as he hasnt had the team success but he is a top 10 individual player of the past 25 years
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Rippin and Tearin on Sat 27 Aug 2016 - 8:36

    @Shanbon wrote:Just some corrections from above posts

    Darius Boyd never won the Dally M award.

    SBW is a bit player for the ABs not a domenent force (Brad Thorn easily the best cross code player)

    Only 3 players in the last 25 years have won multiple Dally Ms and Hayne is the only FB to do it. The other 2 players Johns and Thurston, pretty decent company.

    Hayne will never be an imortal as he hasnt had the team success but he is a top 10 individual player of the past 25 years

    Absolute Rubbish.

    Sorry mate, but that is not true. He will be the starting 12 this year without a doubt (he is injured now and is the only reason he is not there). The only reason he hasn't cemented himself a starting spot for the ABs so far in his career is because he had arguably the greatest ever centre pairing of all time (Nonu and Smith) to contend with.

    Regardless, Union has become a 23 man game in the last few years with some of the guys on the bench, particularly the backs, being specialist players. Barrett is a perfect example and SBW has been the same for quite some time. He has been an integral part of the ABs for a while now.

    Love Brad Thorn too though. The most impressive thing about him is that he switched codes and played in the forwards. That is almost unheard of due to the skill set required. Much respect for him achieving that and whilst I think its a bit silly to be making any calls on who the best convert is before SBWs career is actually over, Brad Thorn will absolutely be in the discussion, no doubt about it.
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    Re: Hayne Quits NFL

    Post by Pieman on Sun 4 Sep 2016 - 14:04

    Hayne's 49er main competition as a punt returner has torn his hammie and is out for the season.
    Looking at their RB depth too, if he stuck around around he would have had a fair shot at getting more playing time this year.

    I guess though, he achieved his dream of making a squad and starting a game - so good on him for quitting and coming back to league.

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    Post by SI on Sun 4 Sep 2016 - 14:54

    @Pieman wrote:Hayne's 49er main competition as a punt returner has torn his hammie and is out for the season.
    Looking at their RB depth too, if he stuck around around he would have had a fair shot at getting more playing time this year.

    I guess though, he achieved his dream of making a squad and starting a game - so good on him for quitting and coming back to league.

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    Post by ryno_ on Tue 6 Sep 2016 - 12:10

    @Pieman wrote:Hayne's 49er main competition as a punt returner has torn his hammie and is out for the season.
    Looking at their RB depth too, if he stuck around around he would have had a fair shot at getting more playing time this year.

    I guess though, he achieved his dream of making a squad and starting a game - so good on him for quitting and coming back to league.

    :shock:

    Nah, hed be no chance. 49ers signed Kerley to help with returns and Hayne would be stuck battling to be RB5... and 49ers only had 3 RBs on the roster 2 days ago.

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