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    How many points will nrl deduct from parra ?

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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by filthridden on Tue May 03, 2016 1:36 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:Regarding players knowing: Of course the players know, the Storm players knew as well. Easiest way to check is what they're lodging as their tax returns, if they're claiming the extra payments they're aware of the extra money being paid above what they signed for. Who can blame them though, if someone at my work walked up to me and handed be $10k under the table I would smile, nod politely and keep my mouth shut.

    Unless he was paying you to keep your mouth open.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by SI on Tue May 03, 2016 1:42 pm

    @filthridden wrote:
    @Honeysett wrote:Regarding players knowing: Of course the players know, the Storm players knew as well. Easiest way to check is what they're lodging as their tax returns, if they're claiming the extra payments they're aware of the extra money being paid above what they signed for. Who can blame them though, if someone at my work walked up to me and handed be $10k under the table I would smile, nod politely and keep my mouth shut.

    Unless he was paying you to keep your mouth open.

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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Krump on Tue May 03, 2016 1:44 pm

    @filthridden wrote:

    Unless he was paying you to keep your mouth open.
    I was trying to use that angle and had nothing. Well played sir Clap
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Honeysett on Tue May 03, 2016 1:47 pm

    @surmo13 wrote:

    That's hardly a for sure tell though, the players probably aren't getting these extra payments in paper bags in back alleys, there's every chance these were being presented to them as legitimate third-party agreements & then swept under the rug by the shady fools running the place.

    Yep so if player x is claiming he made $600k last year and Parra have on the books he made $400k after 3rd party payments then there is a discrepancy and if the players aren't claiming it correctly they'd be entering the murky waters of tax fraud.

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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Tue May 03, 2016 1:47 pm

    @dasherhalo wrote:Someone alluded to it this morning on radio. If they don't give points penalties, and make it purely a financial penalty, then you'll have fall guys taking the entire blame for deliberate car- manipulation.

    And some teams will consider that a risk worth taking.

    Sure, points are harsh, but it's the big stick. Without it, things would be much worse IMHO

    I'm no lawyer but isn't a lot of this falsifying company info and fraud, criminal activity?

    Surely jail time for the people that have committed the crimes would be a better and more appropriate penalty but also deterrent for any organisations considering whether the risks are worthwhile.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Honeysett on Tue May 03, 2016 1:48 pm

    @filthridden wrote:

    Unless he was paying you to keep your mouth open.

    I mean 10 grand is 10 grand.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Krump on Tue May 03, 2016 1:49 pm

    @Oz Sport Mad wrote:

    I'm no lawyer but isn't a lot of this falsifying company info and fraud, criminal activity?

    Surely jail time for the people that have committed the crimes would be a better and more appropriate penalty but also deterrent for any organisations considering whether the risks are worthwhile.
    That doesn't deal with the fact that they are over the cap now though. Would you be happy playing against a team that is known to be over the cap next week?

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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Dip on Tue May 03, 2016 1:50 pm

    Of course it's not the player's fault. It's not their job to manage the cap. Funny how people who were saying to suspend Smith, Inglis etc have at this early stage not called for the suspension of Eels players.

    On another note, as I understand it, the Eels are still $570K over the cap for 2016 and won't get any points until they are under - meaning they have to shed some players for cheaper players. There are a lot of if's, and perhaps it is too soon, but perhaps the best thing to do (ethics aside) would be to cut Foran. It hasn't really been publicised exactly what has happened to him, bit IF for example he is in hospital due to substance abuse, then theoretically that is probably grounds to terminate his contract. You'd think that would be the $570K sorted right there, and doing it while cutting a player who will be missing anyway for who knows how long.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Krump on Tue May 03, 2016 1:53 pm

    Payments need to be made public and players held accountable for any discrepancy. Problem solved

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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Dip on Tue May 03, 2016 1:56 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    Youll need 28 points to even be in the conversation. There are 15 games remaining. After getting 4 free points from the bye round, youll have to go 12 from 15 and will still have to rely on F/A.

    Parra are done for 2016. See you next year. Come in under the cap next time.

    Given they already have a F/A of +45, if they win 12 of the next 15 they'll beat any other team they are equal with on 28 points. Having said that, I agree with you that they are done for 2016 in terms of finals. Theoretically they could make it, but it takes a really good team to win 80% of their matches. I think they are a pretty good team, but not that good. And they will get weaker when they cut $570K from their roster.

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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Dip on Tue May 03, 2016 1:59 pm

    @Oz Sport Mad wrote:

    I'm no lawyer but isn't a lot of this falsifying company info and fraud, criminal activity?

    Surely jail time for the people that have committed the crimes would be a better and more appropriate penalty but also deterrent for any organisations considering whether the risks are worthwhile.

    I doubt it's criminal. It's probably criminal to lodge false reports to government bodies such as ASIC, but I doubt criminal law extends to lying to the NRL. If the local Eagle Boys lies on it's franchise report to head office, I very much doubt it's a police matter.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Honeysett on Tue May 03, 2016 2:00 pm

    @Dip wrote:Of course it's not the player's fault. It's not their job to manage the cap. Funny how people who were saying to suspend Smith, Inglis etc have at this early stage not called for the suspension of Eels players.

    On another note, as I understand it, the Eels are still $570K over the cap for 2016 and won't get any points until they are under - meaning they have to shed some players for cheaper players. There are a lot of if's, and perhaps it is too soon, but perhaps the best thing to do (ethics aside) would be to cut Foran. It hasn't really been publicised exactly what has happened to him, bit IF for example he is in hospital due to substance abuse, then theoretically that is probably grounds to terminate his contract. You'd think that would be the $570K sorted right there, and doing it while cutting a player who will be missing anyway for who knows how long.

    There was clear circumstances around the Storm players, boats, home renos and hundreds of thousands in Harvey Norman vouchers. Don't tell me that the players didn't know or is it not their go?

    Also as far as terminating Foran's contract let's hope you don't work in PR because you would drive a company into the ground, could you imagine the massive backlash they would get kicking a man while he is down. Especially in such a fragile state of mind. If you were going to get rid of anyone it would be Watmough because he's close to retiring.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Krump on Tue May 03, 2016 2:03 pm

    @Dip wrote:Of course it's not the player's fault. It's not their job to manage the cap. Funny how people who were saying to suspend Smith, Inglis etc have at this early stage not called for the suspension of Eels players.

    On another note, as I understand it, the Eels are still $570K over the cap for 2016 and won't get any points until they are under - meaning they have to shed some players for cheaper players. There are a lot of if's, and perhaps it is too soon, but perhaps the best thing to do (ethics aside) would be to cut Foran. It hasn't really been publicised exactly what has happened to him, bit IF for example he is in hospital due to substance abuse, then theoretically that is probably grounds to terminate his contract. You'd think that would be the $570K sorted right there, and doing it while cutting a player who will be missing anyway for who knows how long.
    Drowned any puppies lately? Surely Watbro just retires?

    Edit: Beaten to it by Honeysett.


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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Chicks Dig It on Tue May 03, 2016 2:04 pm

    So basically if Parra can get Watbro's contract off their books they can start playing for points again?

    The stupid thing is, Watbro hasn't been used this year. So if they managed to go on and win the comp they'd still be using the same players they have up untill this point that supposedly did it by "Cheating"
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by ryno_ on Tue May 03, 2016 2:06 pm

    @Dip wrote:Of course it's not the player's fault. It's not their job to manage the cap. Funny how people who were saying to suspend Smith, Inglis etc have at this early stage not called for the suspension of Eels players.

    On another note, as I understand it, the Eels are still $570K over the cap for 2016 and won't get any points until they are under - meaning they have to shed some players for cheaper players. There are a lot of if's, and perhaps it is too soon, but perhaps the best thing to do (ethics aside) would be to cut Foran. It hasn't really been publicised exactly what has happened to him, bit IF for example he is in hospital due to substance abuse, then theoretically that is probably grounds to terminate his contract. You'd think that would be the $570K sorted right there, and doing it while cutting a player who will be missing anyway for who knows how long.


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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Tue May 03, 2016 2:11 pm

    @Krump wrote:
    That doesn't deal with the fact that they are over the cap now though. Would you be happy playing against a team that is known to be over the cap next week?

    Yeah I guess I come from the perspective that this is an administration issue rather than a performance issue.

    You could assemble the highest paid team in the comp (which is still possible under the current TPA rules).....and not be guaranteed a premiership let alone a good team (refer previous Eels teams that have been over the cap).

    Yes they should be forced to get their shit in order but (until I hear further details) I am currently comfortable with them being punished off the field rather than on....provided the off field punishment is sufficient.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Krump on Tue May 03, 2016 2:36 pm

    @Oz Sport Mad wrote:

    Yeah I guess I come from the perspective that this is an administration issue rather than a performance issue.

    You could assemble the highest paid team in the comp (which is still possible under the current TPA rules).....and not be guaranteed a premiership let alone a good team (refer previous Eels teams that have been over the cap).

    Yes they should be forced to get their shit in order but (until I hear further details) I am currently comfortable with them being punished off the field rather than on....provided the off field punishment is sufficient.
    You can hardly account for Mitch Pearce dry humping a dog though. Sorry I couldn't help myself.

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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Dip on Tue May 03, 2016 2:37 pm

    @Honeysett wrote:

    There was clear circumstances around the Storm players, boats, home renos and hundreds of thousands in Harvey Norman vouchers. Don't tell me that the players didn't know or is it not their go?

    Also as far as terminating Foran's contract let's hope you don't work in PR because you would drive a company into the ground, could you imagine the massive backlash they would get kicking a man while he is down. Especially in such a fragile state of mind. If you were going to get rid of anyone it would be Watmough because he's close to retiring.

    Haha was expecting a few comments, but my point is that we don't really know what Foran has done. Would the outrage be less if hypothetically he also beat up his ex on a drug induced rage. I don't remember too much backlash when Dylan Walker was released.

    Personally I'd keep Foran if it is something like depression. They fought hard to keep him last when when he was apparently entitled to do a DCE style backflip, and I don't think anything has changed. I would think the Eels see Norman and Foran as the foundation they can build a team around.

    Re Watmough, would they save anything though? Without him having breached his contract they would have to pay out his contract unless someone else signs him, and I doubt there are any or many clubs willing to sign him, so you're not actually saving anything.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Krump on Tue May 03, 2016 2:41 pm

    @Dip wrote:

    Haha was expecting a few comments, but my point is that we don't really know what Foran has done. Would the outrage be less if hypothetically he also beat up his ex on a drug induced rage. I don't remember too much backlash when Dylan Walker was released.

    Personally I'd keep Foran if it is something like depression. They fought hard to keep him last when when he was apparently entitled to do a DCE style backflip, and I don't think anything has changed. I would think the Eels see Norman and Foran as the foundation they can build a team around.

    Re Watmough, would they save anything though? Without him having breached his contract they would have to pay out his contract unless someone else signs him, and I doubt there are any or many clubs willing to sign him, so you're not actually saving anything.
    Apparently if they can prove he has new injuries forcing him to retire his salary comes off the cap. That's what I'm reading everywhere anyway.
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    Re: How many points will parra lose

    Post by Fortitude on Tue May 03, 2016 2:42 pm

    Im hoping the Eels will start shedding players, coz I want Paulo at the Ders ASAP.

    But, does this open the door for clubs like the Ders to be over the cap for the current season? I assume clubs make signings for future seasons forecasting what their salary situation will be for the future season not the current one? or am I over thinking this?

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