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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by ryno_ on Tue Nov 14, 2017 11:51 am

    @Pieman wrote:
    You are so cool making something up like that and continuing to say it
    Ur cool

    You support a a bloke wholeheartedly who threatened to murder a child.
    See, I can make stuff up and be cool too

    I'm on record saying fuck Lodge and I won't support the Broncos if he takes the field for us.

    You're on record saying you don't think Fergo should have gone to jail after being convicted of sexually assaulting a woman.

    Slight difference.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:10 pm

    @ryno_ wrote:

    I'm on record saying fuck Lodge and I won't support the Broncos if he takes the field for us.

    You're on record saying you don't think Fergo should have gone to jail after being convicted of sexually assaulting a woman.

    Slight difference.

    Well done.
    What else did I say regarding that?

    You are cool

    Lodge supporter. Congrats.

    Also, so you dont support the bronco's any more now that he will be the starting prop next year? Looking for a new team? I mean, newcastle doesnt need you but we will take you mate, I guess

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by ryno_ on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:33 pm

    @Pieman wrote:

    Well done.
    What else did I say regarding that?

    You are cool

    Lodge supporter. Congrats.

    Also, so you dont support the bronco's any more now that he will be the starting prop next year? Looking for a new team? I mean, newcastle doesnt need you but we will take you mate, I guess

    :)

    It looks that way. If he does run out for Brisbane I'll have to make a choice between being agnostic and just getting on the Morgan or Val bandwagon.

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by No Worries on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:38 pm

    @Pieman wrote:The Raiders are reported to be having cap problems, I would love for us to go after Paulo/Boyd/Papalii ..
    Papalii is so fat at the moment he can just play prop for the rest of his career.


    They just swapped Clay Priest for Brad Abbey to get the Bulldogs under the cap. The NRL wouldn't have OKed it if it put them over.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by No Worries on Tue Nov 14, 2017 12:45 pm

    @Pieman wrote:So, newie apparently offered lodge 1.5 over 3 years and he knocked it back to stay at brisbane for 85k. lol.


    Newie have to spend about 2 million before june 30 next year or there is some form of penalty.
    Apparently we can front end some contracts to fix that problem - but wow.. never heard of that issue before. Crazy

    What's this about ? They aren't spending the NRL's money quick enough ?
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Tue Nov 14, 2017 3:34 pm

    You would think that Abby v Priest would be pretty like for like, Priest must be on slightly less but neither would be on big coin so I dont see that saving either club all that much money.

    Yeah apparently NW! I wonder what happens if they dont spend it all. Could be a budget like situation where if you dont spend it all you lose the difference for next year?

    Fucking strange situation

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Dip on Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:00 pm

    It's pretty obvious why this rule is in place and Matty Johns shouldn't be so stupid about it. If they don't have a minimum, then greedy owners could get away with not spending it. For example, If Nathan Tinkler still owned the licence until say the end of 2018, then he could have had all the players contracts expire at the end of 2017, and then in 2018 only have 25 minimum contract players ($80,000 each I think). Fans deserve better than that.

    5% of almost $9M is over $400K. If they don't use long service allowances etc, they would be close to $1M below other teams. There is always someone better than your weakest player available. Don't try and say it forces you to try and get Pearce or Hayne. Try England or Rugby Union if you have trouble replacing your $100K player with a $500K player.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by No Worries on Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:20 pm

    As it stands, Newcastle are believed to be over $2 million under the salary cap - a predicament that could see them penalised under new laws implemented by the NRL that requires clubs to spend 95 per cent of their allocated funds ($9.4 million), which comes to $8.9 million.

    With a bit of detail it does make sense. Ignoring the fact Knights are NRL owned, if they were private, as Dip says the owner could pocket the difference. But also the NRL have made a commitment to the players association than X% of revenue is going back to the players, so while yes the Knights have been frugal they are taking away players entitlements.

    Lets say the figures in the article are correct. They have $7.4m spent, need to spend a further $1.5m, give everyone a 20% bonus payment each month till you sign someone midseason

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Dip on Tue Nov 14, 2017 4:51 pm

    You would think there would be some front ending of contracts if needed. Though knowing player's managers, you could expect that if say Daniel Safiti continues to improve and becomes a SOO player in 2020, the manager will say something along the lines of "He's a SOO player so worth more than the say $300K he's being paid" without making any reference to the bring forward amount that might be paid in 2018 & 2019.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Tue Nov 14, 2017 7:01 pm

    @No Worries wrote:

    With a bit of detail it does make sense. Ignoring the fact Knights are NRL owned, if they were private, as Dip says the owner could pocket the difference. But also the NRL have made a commitment to the players association than X% of revenue is going back to the players, so while yes the Knights have been frugal they are taking away players entitlements.

    Lets say the figures in the article are correct. They have $7.4m spent, need to spend a further $1.5m, give everyone a 20% bonus payment each month till you sign someone midseason

    Wests group own the Knights, not the NRL any more.

    Could the owner really pocked the difference in regards to salary cap? I mean, surely clubs have to show how the cap was spent - it couldnt end up as "1.5 mil misc or 1.5 mil to the owner", surely it has to be spend on the players and coaches and the details have to be given to the NRL.

    And its not like newie could just add a heap of players for a year, there are a set amount of players allowed - we are trying to spend a chunk of money on one or 2 players - surely a good offer could ply a Paulo/Papalii like forward (good but not that top elite level).

    The way around it is front ending contracts and offering short term bonuses. What about coaches, does that come out of the cap? Can we being in some specialist coaches short term? Some motivational speakers? etc lol

    They could put in a win bonus for each player for the first half of the year or something as well.
    I am sure they could be creative and it wont be an issue, considering its not due until june 30 next year.

    I dont see a problem with not spending it and then it just gets paid back to the nrl at the end of the financial year if its unused, or if they donate the unused funds to teams in the local league.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by ryno_ on Wed Nov 15, 2017 8:43 am

    @No Worries wrote:

    With a bit of detail it does make sense. Ignoring the fact Knights are NRL owned, if they were private, as Dip says the owner could pocket the difference. But also the NRL have made a commitment to the players association than X% of revenue is going back to the players, so while yes the Knights have been frugal they are taking away players entitlements.

    Lets say the figures in the article are correct. They have $7.4m spent, need to spend a further $1.5m, give everyone a 20% bonus payment each month till you sign someone midseason

    Salary floors are standard in pretty much every league with a Salary Cap. Even the NBA who don't have a hard salary cap have a salary floor.

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:31 am

    Am I missing something??

    Realistically all clubs should get a bit of slack this season due to the length of time it took to confirm the salary cap.......but even ignoring that, I personally can't see the issue with a club not spending the minimum cap to be honest.

    Different story if the NRL is providing all of the funds and a private owner is pocketing the excess cash but that isn't the case I don't think.

    My understanding is that this was something pushed by the RLPA (don't get me started on those useless pricks) as part of the collective bargaining agreement and kudos for trying something but surely organising the minimum salary was all that was required and then it is up to the players (and their managers) to negotiate where they individually sit after that.

    Maybe a club thinks they are a better shot at winning the comp with a heap of young blokes and some wriggle room in the cap for a big name coming off contract in the coming seasons?

    Anyway I suspect this is all just a beat up by a fucknuckle journo trying to justify being paid over the off season.
    The Knights will front end the contracts of all their players and given they appear to be on the right track football wise, set themselves up over the next few years.
    I just can't understand why they have a minimum salary cap??

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Ice on Wed Nov 15, 2017 9:48 am

    @ryno_ wrote:

    It looks that way. If he does run out for Brisbane I'll have to make a choice between being agnostic and just getting on the Morgan or Val bandwagon.


    I think you should get on the Norman led Eels train RYNO. I respect your stand, I honestly would struggle to support a team with Matt Lodge in it.

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Oz Sport Mad on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:16 am

    @Ice wrote:

    I think you should get on the Norman led Eels train RYNO. I respect your stand, I honestly would struggle to support a team with Matt Lodge in it.

    It's a sad day when Norman is the moral benchmark you are after...

    On Lodge and I'm not in any way condoning his NY rampage but why is he considered such a shitbag?

    Don't really know a lot about the bloke but has he had any other indiscretions, other than that?
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by surmo13 on Wed Nov 15, 2017 10:53 am

    @Oz Sport Mad wrote:

    It's a sad day when Norman is the moral benchmark you are after...

    On Lodge and I'm not in any way condoning his NY rampage but why is he considered such a shitbag?

    Don't really know a lot about the bloke but has he had any other indiscretions, other than that?

    i believe he was the player that decided to write 'cunt' on his wristband during a game a few years back and had some domestic violence issues not long before the NY thing went down.

    it is kinda fascinating though, Russell Packer actually tried his level best to kill a man over cigarettes and wasn't met with anywhere near this much resistance, as far as i'm concerned, Lodge has had his time in court for all his transgressions and received his (heavy) punishments, i won't be buying any Matt Lodge merch or asking for an autograph, but if our support system can rehabilitate a complete cunt-bag into a decent human being, then thats one less in the world.

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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by No Worries on Wed Nov 15, 2017 11:00 am

    @Oz Sport Mad wrote:

    It's a sad day when Norman is the moral benchmark you are after...

    On Lodge and I'm not in any way condoning his NY rampage but why is he considered such a shitbag?

    Don't really know a lot about the bloke but has he had any other indiscretions, other than that?

    He had issues on the drink at both Melbourne and the Tigers and was the dumb xxxx who had that written on his strapping playing U/19 SOO
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:44 pm

    @surmo13 wrote:

    i believe he was the player that decided to write 'cunt' on his wristband during a game a few years back and had some domestic violence issues not long before the NY thing went down.

    it is kinda fascinating though, Russell Packer actually tried his level best to kill a man over cigarettes and wasn't met with anywhere near this much resistance, as far as i'm concerned, Lodge has had his time in court for all his transgressions and received his (heavy) punishments, i won't be buying any Matt Lodge merch or asking for an autograph, but if our support system can rehabilitate a complete cunt-bag into a decent human being, then thats one less in the world.


    So you attempted to berate me because I thought it should have been play on after an ugly footy play (and it should have been) - yet you are OK to have a guy who threatened to kill at least 3 people (two of them women), broke into at least one unit, half demolished the place - with a 9 year old kid there - assaulted a number of people and police. And according to this article, was already facing a number of domestic violence charges in NSW - plus he was fined 10k by the tigers for a new years incident in kings cross in 14/15. From memory he also had multiple issues with alcohol with melbourne and at the tigers. On a lighter note, he was also the player who wrote cunt on his wrist, yes. Interesting.

    Why is he considered such a shit bag? lol... jeez oz

    I totally agree that people do deserve second chances, but this is more like a 3rd, 4th or 5th chance. The game just doesn't need someone in it who has done this shit. And IMO its a bit different to a moment of madness where someone throws a punch or whatever, it was an incident that reads like it went on for a while, there was stalking involved, not to mention it screams that he was off his head on coke or ice or something. Redemption stories happen all the time and generally there are good stories that come from the original nightmare's, Joel Thompson is a good example of this. But when do you just say, no sorry we dont want him because of what he did? When he pisses in his own mouth? In a year or 2 we will forget about it tho, and he will most likely be a good news rehab story. But fuck it leaves a sour taste in ya mouth knowing what he did.

    The big things are that there was a kid involved and that the assaulted a couple of women, and the people who were trying to protect them, and cops. Its the horror movie like situation. Then he basically got deported from the country and isn't paying his court ordered debt. Thats the main difference IMO. He has received his punishment sure, but hasn't fulfilled it apparently.

    Personally, totally ignoring footy, I really hope that he has gone through his rehab in an attempt to actually rehabilitate himself and hopefully he has changed his life and is trying to get on the right track. Isnt drinking or doing any drugs and is genuinely trying to be a better person - I hope that he just isnt ticking boxes to start earning cash playing footy again.

    And packer was certainly met with at least this much resistance, if not more. He also went to prison for what he did for 12 months.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by surmo13 on Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:36 pm

    *sigh* I had a feeling i'd be hearing from you pretty soon after posting that and that you'd go ahead and misinterpret it for the sake of your petty grudge against me, at no point have i said i'm 'ok' with Matt Lodge or anything he's done, in-fact i've been pretty consistently calling him a cunt-bag, but whats done is done, as a result of his disgusting actions he's spent time in Rikers Island, served countless hours of community service and is currently $1 million+ in debt.

    He's had 2 years to prove that it's his wake-up call and the club has obviously seen something in him, again he won't be getting any support from me, but if something good can come out of the 1.6 million mess he created, then so be it, i hope that if he makes so much as a minor mis-step that his contract is torn up on the spot, and i hope that the Broncos realise the responsibility they've placed upon themselves by making this decision.

    p.s. i'm not quite quite sure of the equivalency between this topic and my wanting to protect the health and safety of players at all costs at a time when we're beginning to understand the effects of multiple concussions of professional athletes... Was Lodge known for being a referee that refused to stop play when there were unconcious people on the field? or did he run around the field head-hunting every-one as a player? i'm not quite understanding how my belief of player welfare and my belief of rehabilitation are clashing in this instance.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Moose on Wed Nov 15, 2017 3:06 pm

    I don't see the problem with Lodge writing cunt on his wrist strapping. It was probably just an ownership of sorts (or a self reminder). Like writing your own name on the back of ya undies.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:56 pm

    @surmo13 wrote:*sigh* I had a feeling i'd be hearing from you pretty soon after posting that and that you'd go ahead and misinterpret it for the sake of your petty grudge against me, at no point have i said i'm 'ok' with Matt Lodge or anything he's done, in-fact i've been pretty consistently calling him a cunt-bag, but whats done is done, as a result of his disgusting actions he's spent time in Rikers Island, served countless hours of community service and is currently $1 million+ in debt.

    He's had 2 years to prove that it's his wake-up call and the club has obviously seen something in him, again he won't be getting any support from me, but if something good can come out of the 1.6 million mess he created, then so be it, i hope that if he makes so much as a minor mis-step that his contract is torn up on the spot, and i hope that the Broncos realise the responsibility they've placed upon themselves by making this decision.

    p.s. i'm not quite quite sure of the equivalency between this topic and my wanting to protect the health and safety of players at all costs at a time when we're beginning to understand the effects of multiple concussions of professional athletes... Was Lodge known for being a referee that refused to stop play when there were unconcious people on the field? or did he run around the field head-hunting every-one as a player? i'm not quite understanding how my belief of player welfare and my belief of rehabilitation are clashing in this instance.

    I don't have a grudge against you. I find you hilarious. I also think that you are a fairly sizeable hypocrite sometimes.

    Your previous post was an, OK. I didnt say you loved it, I didnt say you hated it. I said OK. You basically said that too. "He's been punished".. well no he hasnt he hasn't paid his near 2mil american debt off. Hopefully they are working on taking a fair chunk of his 85k next year.

    It is interesting tho.. this bloke has a masssssive debt, then all of a sudden signs for 85k when apparently there are offers for more than 5x that amount. I wonder if we will hear about the debt again or I wonder if one of the richest clubs in the league may have taken care of it for him and in return he signs for the minimum. Just a thought. There was also talk that they could somehow take his future earnings - so I wonder if by keeping it to a minimum, they somehow get around that etc. Its all just very fucking fishy.

    And fucking lol.. no. You only harp on about "player welfare" when it suits you and the Bronco's. What about the welfare of the kid who's life he prob has ruined.
    Im just pointing how hypocritical your apparent OKness is for having that dirtbag who literally chose to fuck up at least 3 people's lives - and having the hide to claim that I am some sort of monster for thinking play shouldn't have immediately stopped with the Oates KO.

    If you bothered to read the rest of the psot you would have seen that we actually agree on a lot of things, Im just smarter than you and therefore have a deeper understanding of pretty much everything.

    More than happy to bury the hatchet with you Surmbro Drug

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