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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Dip on Thu Oct 12, 2017 2:28 pm

    He just seems like one of those genuine good blokes everyone loves to be around, and that'll be good for the club atmosphere too. That he has 300 games of experience, still plays good in the 30-40 minutes game time he has, and probably gets the club some extra exposure with all the Beau Ryan etc Footy Show cameo's is a good thing too.

    You could almost have Lillyman and Heighington as straight subbing partners in games as well. They play 40 minutes each, and one is always on the field as a prop for experience, while the young props/locks/hooker fill the three other middle defender positions. If they get 80m and 20 tackles each a game out of them, I think that'd be a good result for the Knights. The Safiti brothers, particularly Daniel (who I consider a bit better), should be looking at 120m+ and 30 tackles a game in 50 odd minutes. If they all do that then they've got a pretty good base to work from.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Honeysett on Thu Oct 12, 2017 4:39 pm

    So far I don't really think the Knights have set a foot wrong with recruitment yet. We've done the best we can with what we have. A lot of young blood and a few experienced heads that'll give us some depth and teach the kids how to train to be a winner.

    It'll be valuable for the Knights moving forward. I think our goal this year should be contending for the top 8, won't quite get there but should be aiming for that.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:55 pm

    Another great signing, yep. Really happy with our recruitment, the only one I dont really like is Guerra but I will live with it.

    I reckon buhrer is the def starter at hooker with Levi on the bench. There is no way Fitz doesnt start at right back row, with Guerra on the left and Barnett at 13.

    A bench of Heighington, Griffin, Saifiti, Levi. Thats not bad hey.. not amazing but not bad!
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by No Worries on Thu Oct 12, 2017 8:24 pm

    Honeysett wrote:So far I don't really think the Knights have set a foot wrong with recruitment yet. We've done the best we can with what we have. A lot of young blood and a few experienced heads that'll give us some depth and teach the kids how to train to be a winner.

    It'll be valuable for the Knights moving forward. I think our goal this year should be contending for the top 8, won't quite get there but should be aiming for that.

    Not making this a dick measuring contest cause my team's in the same boat, but hoping for some decent off season discussion that doesn't get derailed. I'm going to challenge this. With the players you have lost through retirement, drugs & released you had / still have a bucket load of cash. Fair to say more than anyone in the comp. Has having Brown as your coach hampered signings and will he's 2 year resigning continue to hamper ? While the signings have been solid for as mentioned by previous youngster development. With the glut of coaches on the market and everyone knew it was coming, could they have done better if they had have joined the coach merry go round mid season ? As for last year they couldn't have done worse. But may be signed a better coach and as a result signings ???
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Welshy on Thu Oct 12, 2017 9:43 pm

    No Worries wrote:

    Not making this a dick measuring contest cause my team's in the same boat, but hoping for some decent off season discussion that doesn't get derailed. I'm going to challenge this. With the players you have lost through retirement, drugs & released you had / still have a bucket load of cash. Fair to say more than anyone in the comp. Has having Brown as your coach hampered signings and will he's 2 year resigning continue to hamper ? While the signings have been solid for as mentioned by previous youngster development. With the glut of coaches on the market and everyone knew it was coming, could they have done better if they had have joined the coach merry go round mid season ? As for last year they couldn't have done worse. But may be signed a better coach and as a result signings ???

    Has Brown really done that bad, their squad has at times been awful under his tenure, he doesn't have the big name players like the Tiger did in Tedesco and Woods, Gagai has been outstanding and could class as a star but coupled with some injuries to their better players like Buhrer, Barnett, Hodko, Matora even guys like Kosjayson during the season I think they outplayed their squad talent

    They play hard each week and its pure lack of talent and being forced to play younger less experienced guys, he can only coach with what he is given! The development of some of the youngsters like Fitzgibbon, Stone, Levi, Lamb whilst being surrounded with mediocrity should indicate he is in-fact a very decent coach, he is honest Im glad they resigned him.

    could a higher profile coach have increased their buying power? I'm not so sure, minus Bellamy going there...

    I think with the clubs current rebuilding status they have done very well getting the players they have done without also breaking the bank

    Lilyman
    Heighington
    Ponga
    Ese'Ese
    Guerra
    SKD full year
    Moga
    Watson
    Griffin

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    Gagai
    PMat
    Paea
    Stockwell
    Kosjayson
    Bhana
    Feeney
    etc
    etc
    Randall

    I mean the only guys worth looking at that they have lost is Gagai, all incomings far outweigh the outgoings



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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by No Worries on Thu Oct 12, 2017 10:17 pm

    Brown hasn't done bad with the cattle he has, and no blemish on player effort. But players sign based on the coach, surrounding cattle and $$$. Coach = cattle, cattle = more cattle. The question is could the herd be better if they spent more and got a better bull ?
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Thu Oct 12, 2017 11:20 pm

    I dont think so barring a Craig Bellamy signing. By all reports, players fucking hate madge. We had bennett he ran away and along with Tinkler, left the club in the worst state humanly possible. Hasler's last few years have shown that he needs a break.. then who is left? Toovey? Henry? 

    I think brown is the perfect person for the job. His down to earth, hard working approach has been an ideal match I think.

    Success will bring in the better players. As soon as the club starts being a finals regular, which may take another 5 years or more, the club will regularly have super star players.

    Results will tell I guess as to whether he is the right person for the job.

    Its a reasonable query though.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Honeysett on Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:49 am

    The thing is, let's say we sign Michael Maguire. He signs a few better players. We're suddenly in the 8 but making up numbers instead of challenging for the premiership. He'll keep his job for a few years by getting there or thereabouts and then we'll sack him and found someone else to fill the gaps so they can keep their job and then another 10 years has past and we haven't won shit.

    The best thing about Brown is his honesty. To get the job he said "look we can sign players for overs from other clubs and be in the mix or we can rebuild properly."

    Id much prefer the road we're on than the road we have been previously. We're signing and putting our faith in strong youth development around the region and then some other younger guys from other clubs. Ponga/Watson as an example. Then we've grabbed what 6 or 7 players from top 4 teams, who know how to train and how to win. I'd say we're on the right track.

    We lead so many games at half time this year and lost at the end. It's about experience and having a little bit more talent. I can honestly say hand on heart that this year was one of the most enjoyable years for a Knights fan to watch in recent memory. To see guys like the Saf bros, Fitzgibbon, Barnett really come into their own was amazing.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Welshy on Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:14 am

    Honeysett wrote:The thing is, let's say we sign Michael Maguire. He signs a few better players. We're suddenly in the 8 but making up numbers instead of challenging for the premiership. He'll keep his job for a few years by getting there or thereabouts and then we'll sack him and found someone else to fill the gaps so they can keep their job and then another 10 years has past and we haven't won shit.

    The best thing about Brown is his honesty. To get the job he said "look we can sign players for overs from other clubs and be in the mix or we can rebuild properly."

    Id much prefer the road we're on than the road we have been previously. We're signing and putting our faith in strong youth development around the region and then some other younger guys from other clubs. Ponga/Watson as an example. Then we've grabbed what 6 or 7 players from top 4 teams, who know how to train and how to win. I'd say we're on the right track.

    We lead so many games at half time this year and lost at the end. It's about experience and having a little bit more talent. I can honestly say hand on heart that this year was one of the most enjoyable years for a Knights fan to watch in recent memory. To see guys like the Saf bros, Fitzgibbon, Barnett really come into their own was amazing.

    Don't forget Stone, it's exciting because they are long term building blocks with big potential

    It's like starting a long term career mode on a game, shift the deadwood, add young talent then develop it around experience.

    i like the knights direction, short and long term.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:23 am

    Welshy wrote:

    Don't forget Stone, it's exciting because they are long term building blocks with big potential

    It's like starting a long term career mode on a game, shift the deadwood, add young talent then develop it around experience.

    i like the knights direction, short and long term.
    Yeah its a great direction and philosophy.

    The only issue is - the roosters, bronco's and co coming in and raiding the best players in a year or 2 when these blokes are actually genuine good first grade players, adding to their already stacked teams. I mean, yeah its part of the game - but I know that watching someone like Tedesco run around in Roosters colours next year will leave a fucking dirty taste in my mouth as entertaining as it will be.

    The goal is to become a club that elite players want to play for, so that the glamour sides dont poach the best young players in the game.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Pieman on Fri Oct 13, 2017 1:39 pm

    Elliot moves on to another NRL club. The titans.
    Newie is going to be a bit short for depth on outside backs next year - he is a good ISP player and decent short term back up winger/fb
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by Honeysett on Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:52 am

    Alex McKinnons story had a small silver lining. Not ashamed to admit I teared up reading the story about his wedding and he was able to stand to dance with his new wife. Truly remarkable.
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    Re: Newcastle Knights

    Post by dasherhalo on Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:33 am

    Pieman wrote:
    Yeah its a great direction and philosophy.

    The only issue is - the roosters, bronco's and co coming in and raiding the best players in a year or 2 when these blokes are actually genuine good first grade players, adding to their already stacked teams. I mean, yeah its part of the game - but I know that watching someone like Tedesco run around in Roosters colours next year will leave a fucking dirty taste in my mouth as entertaining as it will be.


    This. The opposite of the Broncos (to use an example) of not being able to hold on to all our up and comers, is that the developing stars in a club in the position of the Knights are at risk of being raided after they've put a few K's on the clock.

    It's not an evil thing, but losing, say, 2 young guns is going to hurt the Knights more than it would the Broncos.

    That's the salary cap as it stands. Hopefully the Knights build that culture that makes players WANT to be there. The risk in raiding (recruiting) young players from other clubs is if they aren't Newcastle juniors, they won't necessarily have their heart in the club, so it's a risky game.


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